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How should I cope knowing that Brahmins are above me in the eyes of God? What is the use of being in a religion where God hates me for my surname?

whats the difference between shudra and dalit?

in vedas only 4 are given

i will kill every pajeet who wants to victimize himself, kill yourself.

>>116326

You can't even kill a spider chamar. Stop being edgy here

>>116321(OP)

I'm not poomin or Raju but I'm proud of my identity/caste

>>116325

Dalit is out of varna. Shudras had ancient limits of contact defined. Dalits are complete untouchables. In a sense they are not even considered "sanatani". But i don't why they even worship hindu dieties.

>>116321(OP)

then convert to some other religion which sees you as same

>>116321(OP)

Christian ban ja bro chadtag bhai jaise

>>116321(OP)

>What is the use of being in a religion where God hates me for my surname

Vishnu beta zara idhar aana

Also, its also weird that craftsmen and skilled workers are vaisya but lohars are shudra.

Chamar meant to be in profession of leather work yet not even shudra. Meanwhile leather workers in europe and mid east were just lower commoners. All Asians had much more hostility towards leather workers.

>>116325

Shudras are proletariat. Dalits are antyajs the lowest of the shudras engaged in unclean occupations and are untouchable as a result.

>>116347

>lohars are shudra.

Lmao handu deserves to lose all wars imagine disrespecting blacksmiths no wonder you lost wars

>>116321(OP)

Brahman here Anon, God hates neither you nor me for the surname. Dwija Varna means that i too was Shudra in my prior life like those who are right now, and it is only in this lofe that I was reborn after not fucking it up somehow in my previous one.

Hypothetically live your life doing what you must, craft some thing that helps the world, just earn money, work hard, and perhaps you will be born Dwija in next life as I would reach Moksha and meet the Brahmana, at Atmana.

You could always choose to not believe in any of the scriptures, and just do what you wish. At the point of which you need to ask yourself "if I do not respect the statement of my God, why do I care what he thinks about me?". Similarly you can also trust him that he has a plan for you, it is maybe only you who can do something as a non Brahman that you wouldn't be able to do by being a Dwija Varna Brahman in this life.

>>116325

Shudra is a Varna, Dalit is a Societal Class. The term Shudra is Sanskrit, which means a Crafts man or a labour. Dalit means broken or ruined. The shudra status is chosen by birth, while the rank of Dalit can be claimed by anyone really.

Untouchable initially were Non Hindu tribals with a tendency to rape, as well as those Dwija who were kicked out of their homes as well as their kingdom, ripped out of their original Varna, and married, bred and birthed with all the non Hindu Tribals.

To put it simply, all Shudra are Hindus, all Dalit are not. They just started identifying as part of us and many non Shudra Dalits wished to be just absorbed by the Shudra community, which was strongly rejected by Shudra Varna people in the past (based).

>>116329

Based

>>116332

Dalits don't worship our deities, they make fun of them, as evident from anti Hindu pages on the Dalitgram. Dalit are perhaps the most vocal sad piece of shit that have no say in Hinduism in the first place. They take credit for the work which was done by Shudra community, use the title of the Kshatriya and kang on accomplishments of Vaishya Varna, all of this while dreaming adding further to the crime statistics of Pajeetland.

>>116347

All craftsmen are initially Shudra, Vaisha are the Mechants tho, not craftsman. It makes no sense that Chamar are not Shudra, when leather work is one of most prominent one when making the armours and other such stuff.

>>116350

Lowkey agreed, how retarded are you to be disrespecting those who were responsible for making weapons for you? Vishwakarma is not siding with you in this war, fuck you.

>>116354

>God hates neither you

Manusmriti says a Shudra must have a contemptible/hateful name

>>116357

I dont think chamars were originally dalits, they might have been separated from other people since they were doing leather work and carried germs from dead animals and all

>>116358

In any civilised society blackshmiths would be held extremely dear. No wonder hindus lost the wars. It was curse of the gods

>>116362

Cope. Blacksmiths have always been considered lower than kings, priests and merchant class in most societies.

>No wonder hindus lost the wars.

Historically illiterate, care explaining why china, persia, egypt and anatolians got conquered so many times by waves of turko mongols.

>>116357

Dalits arent separate in hindu scriptures. They are included in shudra fold. They are just lowest among the shudras.

>>116359

That’s a mistranslation. Manusmriti 2.32 says a Shudra’s name should have a “nīcaiḥ” sound, which in Sanskrit means “low” or “humble” in tone not “hateful” or “contemptible.” Even traditional commentators like Medhatithi interpret it that way. It’s more about phonetics than social judgment.

>>116354

finally someone who knows his stuff, based brother

>>116321(OP)

Why do you even care? If I was a chamar and somebody said that I'm beneath him cuz the god said so. I'd have raped both him and his god.

But since you are so servile you can't really complain. You are a right fit for being a chamar. God really is so smart in deciding who should be a chamar and who shouldn't be

>>116366

Handu categorisation of Lohars as Shudras put them up for humiliation

Handus lost their land into 3 parts

>>116378

by this logic even quran shariff disrepects, polytheists, apostates, idolators, jews etc

would you say the same for them?

>>116357

>>116361

>>116370

Makes sense or makes not. Chamars are avarna and never mentioned as shudra anywhere. Manu doesn't speak about caste even. He talks in varna and mixborns, sometimes chandala stuff. Manu is just so hostile to shudra that he blurs the line between shudra and avarna. But they are still never metioned to be same.

>>116379

Retard kya handu handu laga rakha hai. Caste system had literally no effect on indian history except in the minds of low iq bhimtas. History just played as it would have anyway. Turks and mongols with their superior cavalry and mastery of horse archery blitzkreiged persia, byzantines, egypt, china and india. Greeks fucking lost anatolia which was turkified and islamized ottomans, persians got buttraped by arabs then wave after wave of turks and mongols. Lekin tu rehne de ye sab ganwar. Tere mote dimag me kuch nahi jayega bhimte.

>>116391

They are referred as antyaja which is a subcategory within shudras. It includes untouchable castes like washermen, fishermen, leather tanners and scavengers

>>116359

>Manusmriti

Which chapter, which verse, do mention it in the original Sanskrit Devnagri Script.

>>116361

Agreed, i have stated this in past but Dalit is a very lose societal group. Not every Dalit was a Shudra, some of them were, many of them were Tribals or outcaste with no relation to Hinduism, and some were literally Dwija Varna people who got banished due to having raped or killed some one.

>>116362

Curse of Vishwakarma and lord Agni specifically, they did not let it slide.

>>116366

King is not a Varna, their have been Kings from all the Varna, it is just a matter of public choice, that Kshatriya made the most fitting kings. Black smiths themself are considered Merchant.

A look at Nordic faith with Dwarven lore easily tells us, that Blacksmith were held quite dear in countless cultures. In reality is failing to treat the blacksmiths well was our failure as Dwija people which costed us heavily, and it will continue to keep costing us in future.

>China, Persia, Egypt and Anatolians

>Turko Mongolians

Logical fallacy anon, ek gotra me vivah karna band kijiye.

>>116370

Dalits don't exist in Hindu scriptures. But Mllecha do, a lot of Dalit, are what you get when you fail to preserve Shudra community and treat them the same way you treat a Mllecha.

Dalit is simply a societal term, and any man can classify as a Dalit regardless of their Varna, be it now, or be it before they were excommunicated in past.

>>116374

Chapter 2, Verse 32

>सुखार्थं ब्राह्मणस्योक्तं रक्षार्थं क्षत्रियस्य च।

>वृद्ध्यर्थं वैश्यवर्णानां सेव्यर्थं शूद्रजन्मनाम्॥

>सेव्यर्थम्

>Seva

>Artham

yaar, even a non Hindu Untouchable can't be so illiterate, to unironically think that "Sevartham" somehow means, hateful. It is 2025, and these lowlives still do not even know how to even read the Devnagri script, and blame us for this kind of bullshit

Thanks for clarifying anon, I knew the other anon was retarded.

>>116376

Thank you Bhrata.

>>116378

Anon, you should try going to Shivan region, and saying that to Rajwada's in person and see how well it goes lmao. Kaat ke khet me gadh dege chup chap, for agle din wahi pe aake hug ke bhi jayege lmao.

Your Varna is irrelevant because the kind and empathetic Shudra with hunger for reason and knowledge, still ranks eons above the Mllecha such as you. You would get on your knees and suck OP's sock to rank as high as he does in the vision of his God, that he still himself has not realised yet.

>>116379

I think the issue is that assuming being a Shudra is bad, that itself is a logical issue. No matter which Varna you are, as long as you are not a filthy Mllecha, Unarya Inteyaj such as the Muzzi Roachies, you are Brahmana's own beloved.

Yes your Varna may mean he has more and more expectations from you than others, but that does not mean he loves you more or less than other, for that is decided by our action alone.

Lohars should have been treated in a manner that they woke up, and realised "damn, I am going to make a fucking tank out of craft iron for my Kshatriya ruler, with this new chemical compound the Brahmans have found for me, damn, it is gonna be so badass".

>>116385

What he says about Quran is irrelevant because everyone knows what the Muzzies will do to his mom the moment he even opens his mouth kek. What do you think Israel did to Palestinians? Kek

>>116391

>Makes not

Yaar grammar

>Chamar are Avarna

Technically true, though it fails to make any sense. Part of reason Chamar community saw so much hostility is because of the Shri Chanvar Purana and bullshit like that which outright made no sense.

>Manu is so hostile

To everyone anon, he hates everyone who is not Varnashrama (ironic, because if you think about it, everyone is Varnashrama, their is no way at one point or another, Kshatriya man just did not marry a cute Shudra girl, has shiddat wala seggs and raised lots of babies, while his brothers were struggling with spoiled princess).

>>116392

>Caste system had literally no effect on indian history except in the minds of low iq bhimtas

I used to think this was a meme till I met the Dalit people who themself told me how outright retarded Bhimtas community has become now. They unironically believe in concept of Nephillim and Giants beyond the wall, no wonder Britishers colonized us.

>>116396

Which is something that bothers me, It is a fact that Antayaja is most certainly a rank on the low end of Shudra. But was it truly a rank that was always part of Shudra in the first place?

What if they were just outcast with no skill and nothing to do with our groups and we made them do the work we didn't want the Skilled Shudras to do, because work like being cobbler in that day and age meant risking your life with pathogens, same as handling creations as a chandala.

Scavengers were most certainly absorbed because their is no way Musahar community was initially Shudra, but most certainly they just got absorbed into the group later on.