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DFXTiR
No.530808
Now that it's clear Trump has tampered RW in the West for generations to come, what made Hindu nationalism so successful while White/Christian nationalism fail so spectacularly?
yMxfbC
No.530811
Difference between real conflict and tussle and made up conflict and tussle
Whites have got everything so they create their problems
While we were born with problems
MQvxLl
No.530815
>>530811
thread/
fqSstf
No.530831
Both Trump and Modi were mostly failures but for different, almost opposite reasons.
Trump was confrontational with the left liberals - always pushing the overton window, but this also came at the expense of political capital wasted on several reasons.
Modi meanwhile was the opposite, he is far too deliberate which means even when he has power he plays by the left liberals system. To him, power isn't a resource to reach ends but the ends in on it itself.
The right needs a mix of both, one that's smart enough to pick it's battles and bold enough to face it head-on.
1oGTyl
No.530837
one of the key differentiators is that american rw is filled to the brim with low class whites, with yahudis doing their games as usual.
indian rw support base is middle class, higher middle class. it is a proven fact that as people get more educated they would vote modi more. BJP was always an urban party.
INCels were always dehatis. but obviously success of modi is visible beyond urban sectors, he reached to a common man urban or rural.
i remember few days back swissanon was spamming a video of congressis saying 'LPG is not used by poor people only rich use it'. before modi power didn't even have basic identity.
there's no competition. he has done a lot of good welfare work. reason why despite chowkidar jibes, 2019 resulted in complete collapse of congressis. now they are reduced to ragebaiters and recycling paki copes on shitter.
a7sstN
No.530838
>>530808(OP)
RW in america is made up of losers who are seething 24x7 and need to bash minorities to feel good.
RW in India is made up of people with real problems (like Islam)
1oGTyl
No.530841
though modi isn't infallible, the modi cabinet has clearly seen degradation in quality compared to 2019. we don't have parrikar, rajnath is a clueless person. jaitley was a good leader who knew how to tame opposition. as a FM shushma swaraj was better than our local weeb.
Still rajiv chandrasekhar, ashwini vaishnaw, tai are few of the good ones. Roadkari had a brutal fall and his experiments with ethanol has given him even more bad press - unironically roadkari has been just average and need to be removed (he won't).
amit shah as MHA has done exceedingly well, with whole naxal chimpout reduced to almost done for.
one of the worst ministers in current modi cabinet is jitender singh, worst fellow. they need more guys with vision like Vaishnaw.
let's see what happens. though the degree of reforms by current cabinet has been substantial it's clear that they are losing momentum and energy - which is odd considering how successful they have been at state elections.
bjp is not going to make hindu rashtra, hence a parallel movement should be pushed for freeing the hindu temples from government control. but they are necessary for events beyond religion - a fact trads won't understand.
ezz2E/
No.530872
>>530834
>Indian left wing is more retarded like american right wing.
They have almost the same voter profile, too. Less educated, poor and rural.
1SFI+S
No.530934
>>530872
>>530838
>>530837
Actually no. People who vote right in the US is of similar profile.
Wealthy, educated, white, middle class, etc...
The perception comes from more rural states voting overwhelmingly right wing.
But this is the case in India, more urban states vote left while individually more wealthier individuals vote right.
This is famously known as the ecological paradox where a trend that is found correlated at an individual level reverses at a group level.
1oGTyl
No.530940
fqSstf
No.530954
>>530934
No, it's not. Not only do College graduate vote left a lot more in US, but also in India, urban people vote right, it's just that all the surrounding villeges vote left. INC won telengana and Karnataka without winning Hyderabad or Bangalore.
1oGTyl
No.530957
>>530947
Gujarat, maharashtra are BJP den. Telangana, Andhra, Karnataka has good bjp presence. Haryana once again bjp presence. Punjab, TN are not even leftists. Pondicherry has bjp government no?
Only kerala is suitable example in your case. west bengal used to be leftist dominated then swayed over to mamta and now bjp has good presence. mamta is famous among backward communities and individual rich groups but middle hindu urban class prefers bjp.
Idk why you shared this generic data which doesn't correlate with what you said when there's actual data on education and voting tendencies. BJP was always urban party, because those places are dominated by trader community, upper c@ste section.
i didn't want to bring the c@ste angle, but BJP being favoured by UCs directly means that they will have vote bank which are more educated than normal, more urbanized, very likely to be middle class so on.
it's only when bjp managed to break the backward section they got all over india success.
fqSstf
No.530958
>>530947
That doesn't mean INC is winning urban regions. Even in Gujarat, Haryana, Maharashtra etc INC's power comes from rural
fqSstf
No.530960
>>530957
In west bengal, also rich and educated are going for BJp. tMC does better with tribal women the most in terms of overall percentage voting
1SFI+S
No.530962
>>530954
>Not only do College graduate vote left a lot more in US
Most white college grads vote right.
>urban people vote right
College grads don't necessarily mean Urban, in fact most colleges are located in rural areas.
>INC won telengana and Karnataka without winning Hyderabad or Bangalore.
I've already said this phenomenon here >>530951
1oGTyl
No.530963
>>530960
yes
1SFI+S
No.530968
>>530957
>Gujarat, maharashtra are BJP den
>Telangana, Andhra, Karnataka
Only Gujarat is guaranteed bjp soil. Rest can be considered swing states.
>Punjab, TN are not even leftists
But they're. Just because the dominant parties there espouse ethno nationalism doesn't mean they're not leftist.
>middle hindu urban class prefers bjp.
I think you don't fundamentally understand my argument. My claim wasn't contrary to that.
fqSstf
No.530975
>>530962
The last election was a massive outlet in terms of how zoomers voted. Young men voted overwhelmingly for Republicans, something that used to never happen (people only started voting for them as they get older) but having a college degree was almost always an inductor of people voting GOP.
>Most white college grads vote right.
You didn't say white before, but like I said, this is only true because of Trump's unique coalition with young people that no other Republicans ever get
>phenomenon
That's just what I said about INC not doing well in urban centers.
fqSstf
No.530979
>>530968
Guaranteed Gujarat was almost lost in 2017. BJP's only guarantee is MP.
1SFI+S
No.530984
>>530975
I don't have any such maps for India but I wouldn't expect it to be any different.
Btw having a college degree isn't correlated with wealth, especially not in US where they're basically scams and most college grads have meme degrees like 'Film criticism'.
1oGTyl
No.530987
>>530968
your argument would work if UCs were small part of the overall vote.
>guj is guarenteed.
BJP is quiet literally number 1 or 2 in most of the states mentioned. Guj/Maha/Ktk. Andhra is governed by one of the most capitalist adjacent leader who is in coalition with BJP. Telangana is also anything but leftists. same for TN.
Punjab is different altogether.
as a whole you have taken the convo to complete tangent by bringing recent elections ignoring the existing verified patterns on education, age, groups - UC/OBC/SC/ST and economic status.
if you do you will see the clear difference.
1SFI+S
No.530995
>>530987
>UCs were small part of the overall vote.
I have not said anything about UCs
>BJP is quiet literally number 1 or 2 in most of the states mentioned
What do you think a swing state mean?
>Andhra is governed by one of the most capitalist adjacent leader who is in coalition with BJP
He literally used to form a coalition with Momta
>Telangana is also anything but leftists. same for TN.
TN's entire schitck was gibs politics. Both parties rose to power by promise of gibs.
1oGTyl
No.530996
also once again BJP is not really capitalist of sorts. they have socialist policies, focus on welfare, they have delivered a lot on welfare aspects, health insurance. policies which are like complete red line for republicans.
they are pragmatic and adjust. hence they their reach has gone beyond their core. so the some leftist perspectives of society and their association will not work with bjp.
hence the pragmatism part. bjp in general was seen as an anti-feudalist party. which would destroy that to usher more progressive policies, more business friendly in nature coupled with social welfare - being good at last mile delivery of the policies. coupled it with a sprinkle of hindu nationalism.
1SFI+S
No.531003
>>530979
If so, then it only proves my point further.
fqSstf
No.531004
>>530984
You can expect what you want, but you would be wrong.
>college degree isn't correlated with wealth
Never said it was.
Dems themselves bemoan the fact they lost the white working class to GOPs. Other first world cunts aren't very different, the only left wing parties that still do well with the working class are the ones that are anti migrats like in Denmark.
1oGTyl
No.531005
>>530995
>He literally used to form a coalition with Momta
TMC has been bigger rival of leftists in bengal and responsible for their demise than any other party. And the policies of two leaders is drastically opposite. coalition for power mean nothing.
BJP had coalition with Mehbooba mufti.
>I have not said anything about UCs
you remark
<more urban states vote left while individually more wealthier individuals vote right.
is in all sense incorrect because urban voters are dominated by UCs or OBC middle class who are favourable to BJP. remove muslim votebank (they are significant in urban areas) you will see opposition numbers look worse.
>TN's entire schitck was gibs politics. Both parties rose to power by promise of gibs.
if that is a parameter then BJP MP would get all the accolades. DMK or AIADMK both are fervently capitalist adjacent parties, with policies which are on par if not more proactive than bjp in that regard.
fC2qLt
No.531007
>>530979
Bhimta jihadi party has fucked up my state, and they will face brutal defeat in next elections
fqSstf
No.531008
>>531003
Proves what? INC isn't an urban party because they do well with urbanised state through rural parts.
INC is the party of gibs + rent seeking landlords there.
fqSstf
No.531015
>>531007
MP BJP is dogshit compared to other gov, but MP is still slowly improving with industries coming in.
It's still got gibs up their ass like a INC gov does without any thought on debt. Your best bet is a third party which wants fiscal restraint but that is political sucide there, so you're stuck with only dogshit and less dogshit option.
1SFI+S
No.531022
>>531008
>INC isn't an urban party because they do well with urbanised state through rural parts
I've already talked about wealth inequality driving such states towards leftism. Similar excuse can be given for any state. Democrats aren't an "educated" persons party just because they find success by appealing to failed college grads.
fqSstf
No.531023
>>531021
Nobody is disagree about this dataset in India. It just doesn't apply to US right. MAGA are their dehatis.
1oGTyl
No.531025
>>531021
this coupled with welfare policies and hindutva and c@ste equation amplified the bjp support among non urban areas. some of it obviously further increased their strength in urban areas.
modi since 2014 has been all over india so some of the recent data can be used to push agenda but this used to be norm as a whole for bjp.
fC2qLt
No.531029
>>531015
Atleast in my region, INC is much better than BJP
BJP sidelined all the promising leaders and is forcing worthless netas down our throat in the name of diversity and equal representation (typical hisab chukta thing)
fqSstf
No.531032
>>531022
The rural Kannada earns closer to urban kannada than rural Orissa. There is inequality, but it's nowhere as sharp as leftoids want you to belive there.
>Democrats aren't an "educated" persons party
You can argue about College degree's worth, but it's a fact college graduates vote for dem way more.
buaKZz
No.531035
>>530934
>But this is the case in India, more urban states vote left while individually more wealthier individuals vote right.
With the exception of TN and the NE urban areas everywhere vote BJP. This is well known.
fqSstf
No.531042
>>531029
Which state MP?
>Promising leader
None of it matters, if their platform of gibs to dehatis is the same.
Leaders can individually matter when they can get projects with money and trust from center like HBS in Assam and DMK's ministry of industries (raja something I forgot his name) but otherwise politics is a team sports, and if the team sucks, a great player won't change anything.
1oGTyl
No.531044
>>531029
>calls bjp bhim jihadi part
>supports INC
also i don't disagree that BJP MP is shit but i have read about the shitshow which was MP under digvijay and that 1984 culprit.
also i don't discount that INC individual leader might be better. very much possible and happens all the time.
1SFI+S
No.531048
>>531032
Wealth is a greater signifier of success than having a college degree and as the data I posted above shows, more wealthier individuals vote right in the US.
>it's a fact college graduates vote for dem way more.
My original point didn't even talk about college grads. Republican voters being all dehaati poorfags is meme spread by failed college negroes just like how jobless smellu commies spread the meme that bjp voters are all cow dung eating piss poor bimaru labourers.
qxot3d
No.531052
>>530831
>>530808(OP)
>women whoring in masses
>no end in sight for industrialized food
>more vaccine
>shitty env
>massive equity being bought by USA jew companies in health and real estate sector
Pajeet thinks india is saved
Culture preservation is the most imp thing
women thinking casual sex is okay and doing it in school and colleges are the new norm in today's society.... be carefull pyare......
You call this saved india
No PM ever made women whore this much, tanatan my ass
Captcha is literrally OF (onlyfans)
Qc7zci
No.531054
>>531021
Seems like you still misunderstand my argument. Never have I claimed people who are more educated, more wealthier, etc... don't vote bjp(Especially in India, where people don't go for meme degrees and usually it's highly correlated to wealth) so don't know what's the point in throwing these data.
fC2qLt
No.531055
>>531042
>Which state MP?
Yeah
IDK much about higher politics but on ground people are really disappointed with BJP
Like in last state elections they changed the experienced MLA candidate with some dehati, he won only cuz of hindutva wave, but i don't think he will win again
I don't think hindutva will work this time, cuz i saw many kattar hindus too hating on BJP
(indian) which was never a thing in MP is becoming another topic now
Our CM mohan yadav is another chutiya who do something stupid every second week
1oGTyl
No.531056
>>531050
urban states will have more urban areas, that was you just trying to invent new ways to justify your views. not even correct at that.
>>531048
dems are wealthier, more educated class than rust belt whites who are more religious.
you will have hard time looking for 1:1 correspondence but there's clear data on urban party and dehat party.
and urban centers becoming left hotspot in india is still few decades away but it depends, if hindutva succeeds then maybe we will not reach there.
you are conflating feudal parties with 'leftism' or whatever in india.
i said it in the first post bjp is very pragmatic and not a hardliner on policies. it easily coopted movements.
1oGTyl
No.531057
>>531054
data reads closely with urban / dehat party remarks.
fC2qLt
No.531061
>>531044
20 years of BJP rule and not a single strong leader from their side
Qc7zci
No.531062
>>531056
>urban states will have more urban areas
That's the fundamental aspect of the so called ecological paradox.
Urban states also tend to have sharp divide of class.
>dems are wealthier
They're not, maybe more educated, that's it. As I said, being educated isn't necessarily a sign of wealth when your education is a degree in African ooga booga dancing. There's countless studies you can search up which shows voting right wing in US highly correlated with one's wealth. Only group in white middle class and the only blue state would be California.
1oGTyl
No.531063
>>531061
shivraj mamu was one. there's a bit of truth in the fact that namo prefer remote control guys which is not good but i hope it's not true.
this rumor also hints at possible yogi/bjp conflicts. but proly not true either.
MP is economically dead state. not much hope either way. i was wondering at what point none of the parties would bother fighting eelction for that state considering how unsalvageable it is.
fqSstf
No.531064
>>531048
Wealth creation is a sign of success - inheritance and extraction from rent seeking is not.
>Republican voters being all dehaati
Not all of them are, but quite a few, esspecially the whites, are.
>>531052
>Here comes the obvious sexually frustrated faggot whose entire politics is about wahmen.
Kys
>>531055
BJP's problem is that the INC makes grand gibs promises, and they get scared and try to do the same - 1 to win. (indian) never being a thing is a massive fucking meme btw. Odiya are also retarded enough to belive this.
fC2qLt
No.531066
>>531063
Shivraj was kind of little popular but not something we can call strong leader
Now he is gone too
>MP is economically dead state
Sure mate
Western MP is doing much better and have a lot of potential, could be one of the richest region if government focused on it, other MP aadivasis survive on our money
If centre focus, it can develop
1oGTyl
No.531068
>>531062
there's clear division between white collar voters and blue collar voters in usa.
>Urban states also tend to have sharp divide of class.
again it doesn't really justify your theory, it's just you wordcelling here. it feels more like you want to just wordcel to obfuscate the very fact which has been shared about the urban areas and dominance of bjp.
1oGTyl
No.531070
>>531066
kek long back i talked to anon who hated rest of the mp and wanted separate western MP (approx) region as separate state.
MqAWa+
No.531071
>>531070
Most likely that was me
1oGTyl
No.531072
>>531071
kek
MqAWa+
No.531073
>>531064
Gib thing here was started by BJP
Buying women vote using ladli behena scheme
>(indian) never being a thing is a massive fucking meme btw.
Bruh, first ever LC CM of MP was Uma bharti who was from BJP
Before that all CMs were Upper(indian) (honorary mention of shukla family), and 2 Jains
Its been decades now since MP saw UC CM, only cuz of BJP
My constituency is OBC majority (like rest of india) and our ex mla was rajput, and before that it was baniya. This time only BJP chose some dehati OBC , he won cuz of hindutva
Bheem army was non existent before and now some of the vilest hisab chukta speeches come from MP
k+SBDp
No.531077
>>530808(OP)
Mostly because Hindu nationalist base contain a lot of UC Hindus who are civilization creators.
Wignats are mostly White losers. White people would rather live with (auto-excised)s than listen to Wignats.
fqSstf
No.531078
>>531069
(indian) not being existent in the sense that LC resentment being something new is bullshit. Bheem army was non existent.
They have organised better in recent years across India. MP was BJP since when late 90s? Jai bheem army only in 2020s became big enough to do what they do.
And, like I said, BJP are cowards who say INC trying to do gibs to win over LC and they pulled those stunt.
I do think a third party is the best option, but don't be retarded enough to not vote strategically to hurt the INC though. I.e do it if you live in safe seat from INC.
Qc7zci
No.531084
>>531068
Again white collar voter doesn't necessarily mean wealthier in US context, in fact quite the opposite even as tradefags seems to be more successful compared to average college grad.
>word celing
Mu original point has always been that more wealthier states tend to vote more left while less wealthier states vote more right while individually this trend reverses which is called the ecological paradox. This is a called a paradox for a reason. Its not my mistake that you keep misunderstanding this point again and again and throwing charts at me to prove wealthier people vote right when you keep misunderstanding my point.
fqSstf
No.531085
>>531078
The thing to keep in mind is that bhim army is literally INC alligned. They don't do their shit in INC states, hell they even portest against RSS in Bangalore.
INC fags on xitter still try to push muh UC vote to them as a psyops.
fqSstf
No.531087
fC2qLt
No.531092
>>531085
Yeah INC is playing 4d chess to get those 10% UC votes
MP always had UC CM until BJP came and started putting OBCs
23 years and no UC CM yet only cuz of BJP
Well idc about (indian) and all, but they are forcing it onto us
hPI69l
No.531097
>>530811
Thread
fqSstf
No.531101
>>531092
The great game is BJP putting hindu together and INC dividing them, either by (indian) or language.
My point is that unless you have an actual right wing party as opposition and live somewhere INC has no chance it's better to pick the least bad option.
1oGTyl
No.531104
>>531084
bruh that's because blue collar and trades actually do pay well in usa. that doesn't mean the intrinsic what we define 'dehati' qualities are not associated with them. white collar class whites are progressive and will not prefer them and it's visible in the data.
>Mu original point has always been that more wealthier states tend to vote more left while less wealthier states vote more right while individually this trend reverses which is called the ecological paradox. T
no you are not understanding. it seems you learned a word and thought it is truth and applicable to every case. this is your first mistake and actually the basis of OP's thread.
Because the chart and data clearly shows that the wealthier states have bjp dominance and left is irrelevant outside Kerala. And at the same time even individually the middle class, upper class do vote right which is okay by you. So your entire point is moot and just almost delusion tier.
There's an explanation on why it happens because BJP's core voter are UCs who are better off in all parameter, then next same for OBC data. These are traditional bjp voters which were more related to urbanized states, or states which are looking in that regards - Guj/Mh for former, UP and Bihar in later case.
It's more that you are obsessed with this idea of yours and want it to be true and had to jump in quickly.
Second thing is your lack of understanding and calling random parties 'lefty'. BJP or rest all have socialist tendencies and policies. What you are missing is confusnig with the feudalist parties - SP / DMK / INC / BSP so on.
It's not about judgement on whether bjp or parties in india are left or right. more about parallels between bjp and trump who have pretty significant difference in policies. wrap at my end now.
fC2qLt
No.531148
>>531101
UGC, strengthening of SC/ST act, and bharat ratna to bahujan nayaks say otherwise
They are pushing for 75% reservation in MP, their strongest fort
What does it say about bhimta jihadi party?
eXX5UB
No.531161
fqSstf
No.531162
>>531148
Arey bhai I just BJP are cowards who do this shit because they are afraid they'll lose their non-UC voters.
Like I said, go ahead and vote for an alternative that cares for UC. Just don't tell me with a staight face that party of UC is INC.
fqSstf
No.531164
>>531161
Every dataset proves that's bs, but cope.
38zsWM
No.531187
fqSstf
No.531269
>>531187
If your local rapist is UC, you'd side with them?
eXX5UB
No.531310
>>531164
Your chappri (auto-excised) is your avg bhajipao voter, don't kid yourself. Those dehati Americans are more civilized than 90% of pajeets.
eXX5UB
No.531313
>>531164
Didn't know gau maata tatti gobar shit is high class.
eXX5UB
No.531375
>>531326
>SAAAR WE GOBAR LOVING PAJEETS ARE HIGHCLASS SAAR
eXX5UB
No.531390
>>531382
Pajeets are the world's biowaste tho.
6AHhYX
No.531392
>>531390
Tere (auto-excised) ki gand mai pajeeto ne lund ghusaya tha
6AHhYX
No.531395
