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UN

RcvxAu

No.1396

I'll use this as a journal. Or to just record any thoughts, as and when the need arises.

Anonymous

MH

vXSMcd

No.1397

>>1396(OP)

eagerly waiting saar

UN

RcvxAu

No.1398

>>1396(OP)

Ozymandias. I feel strangely connected to this character. I recently read Watchmen, by Alan Moore a few days back. Basically, the aspect of the character that draws me to him is (without spoiling the story,plot or even the character himself) that Ozymandias is a character who has attained peak human physical and mental prowess, by following a strict regimen drawing from various esoteric practices and martial arts. Ozymandias is also the title of a poem by Percy Bysshe Shelley, which comments upon the brevity of one and his achievements. Yet; this does does not dissuade Adrian Veidt from attaining near perfection, by the use of his Will. The concept of Will is a reccuring theme in the Occult, especially left-handed paths like Thelema. I also was led to video talking about self-initiation, by Richard Ruach (Check out his channel on yt). In it, he talks about how the Tarots 4 and 5, The Emperor and The Heirophant symbolise the Two Axes one must master to have mastery over Self. Spiritual and Physical. Alan moore included a snippet in the book, the "Veidt method" which may strike the average reader as just another example of Moore's excelent worldbuilding; However, I fully believe Moore intended it to be something more. I plan to reverse engineer the (a?) Veidt method.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1399

Thoughts on Free Will.

I will preface this by saying that I was a staunch atheist ever since the age of 11. Prior to that, I was technically religious, but I didn't really understand what I believed in the first place. I guess you could say my atheism stemmed from logic; Claims require evidence, and the onus of providing the evidence falls on the shoulders of the claimant. Atheism leads to materialism which leads to belief in determinism.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1400

>>1399

Determinism negates the concept of free will. Materialism negates the concept of consciousness itself. If you recorded and measured every neuron, there is no one, explicit stage where chemically, consciousness is generated. Yet one is still consciouss. This gnawed at me, driving me mad, and forcing me to reject the materialist paradigm for something else.

Anonymous

ROJR

82GvkM

No.1402

>>1396(OP)

>Ozymandias

never talked about it but i remember reading this poem back in my school days.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1403

>>1402

Yeah, it's my favourite poem. Goes hard.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1404

>>1398

The video I referenced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK4eTackv8U[embed]

UN

RcvxAu

No.1405

Also, I'll put links of videos that I watched over here, and my thoughts on them.

Anonymous

MH

vXSMcd

No.1406

>>1400

>something else

what is that anon

Chicken pill

IN

hSe2L4

No.1407

>>1400

I get what you are saying but this could be explained by

We just don't know it yet or that it's an emergent phenomenon that is very complex in nature ( which it is )

But there's something to be said about the enormous hardness of the problem of consciousness

>>1398

Would be great if you could find practices to advance your self socially , mentally and physically and spiritually and even better if they are esoteric since they are both more likely to work and more likely to not be twisted perverted by the people who don't understand them

Anonymous

MH

vXSMcd

No.1408

>>1407

chomken pill i like you

Chicken pill

IN

hSe2L4

No.1409

>>1408

🥺🥰😍💘😣💋😜🍑

Acha pyare

Anonymous

MH

vXSMcd

No.1410

>>1409

sach mein yaar you are so smart

UN

RcvxAu

No.1411

>>1409

>>1410

>>1408

Don't shit up this thread.

>>1407

>emergent phenomenon

We don't even have a way to quantify it, in the first place. I came to the conclusion that firstly, consciousness stems from matter, not the other way around, and that consciousness exists outside matter, and pilots these earthly vessels of ours. Consciousness is imbued, not generated in a vessel.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1412

>>1411

>not the other way around

A purely materialistic framework doesn't allow for the existence of consciousness, no matter what, whereas the opposite isn't true.

Anonymous

MH

vXSMcd

No.1413

>>1412

>consciousness stems from matter, not the other way around, and that consciousness exists outside matter

what do you mean by "stem" here, though? a little vague

UN

RcvxAu

No.1414

>>1407

>Would be great if you could find practices

I know, and have heard of a bunch, I'll try 'em and state the results here so that I know what works and what doesn't. I want to create a comprehensive guide to self mastery.

>>1413

My bad, meant the opposite, matter stems from consciousness.

Anonymous

MH

vXSMcd

No.1415

>>1414

yeah that's what i was confused about. allg

UN

KxD09s

No.1416

>>1414

You could be interested in G.I. Gurdjieff and J.G. Bennett, they seem to be in line with your interests. R.Fripp of King Crimson was inspired by the two and you can observe the influences in his work.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1417

>>1416

Thanks, I'll check it out. I've heard of Gurdjieff (Enneagram), but never bothered to actually check out his teachings.

Chicken pill

IN

hSe2L4

No.1420

>>1410

Sarcastic bhaijan

>>1411

>>1414

Got me confused af

But seems like the best position until there is irrefutable evidence of the normalcy of consciousness

Even then it's still very very doubtfuk

Chicken pill

IN

hSe2L4

No.1421

>>1417

His books are complex and so are his ways

UN

RcvxAu

No.1429

Thoughts on intelligence:

A lot of people have tried to define intelligence, since antiquity. The g-factor, is the closest to the concept we have reached, yet it does not define it, it merely is defined. I feel intelligence is the ability to associate, to form associations, i.e x leads to y leads to z. Associations are how one holds information in the brain. Knowledge can be defined as the total set of data points one has to form associations with. Intelligence can be defined as the ability to form associations between the datapoints. Modern IQ tests utilize various subtests that check for stuff like processing speed, verbal reasoning, spatial reasoning, and working memory. Processing speed refers to the quickness of forming associations, working memory refers to the number of associations one can work simultaneosly to derive a final association, between start and end.

Duck

IN

AedwlB

No.1430

"The only real test of intelligence is, how much money you can make when starting from the bottom."

Anonymous

MH

vXSMcd

No.1431

>>1420

wasn't sarcastic i mean it bhay

ARYA

Gw1tyL

No.1433

>>1429

consider the speed of learning new data points also. I think this is one big part of being called "smart".

Chicken pill

IN

Q14LKR

No.1434

>>1431

Thanks

>>1414

Kuch mila?

UN

RcvxAu

No.1455

Reading the kybalion now, finished 2 chapters.

>>1433

That's probably the easiest, anyone can rote-learn. But yeah.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1569

Fuck, I need to update this. Just got caught in a bit of a slump now.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1582

>>1455

Read 2 more chapters. Interesting stuff. Provides a solid framework for understanding other stuff. Don't really feel like writing an essay now, so I'll just rant about this website.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1584

For starters, I think the Admin doesn't really understand what his users (or he himself) wants. He seems to think that he is "letting this website grow organically" when he is infact snipping it in the bud with a bunch of policies and features that no one really asked for, nor wanted. Other anons have enough to say about these issues, I'll just talk about the overarching issues with Dyaush's ideology and vision when it comes to the site. He seems to want to turn this site into some kind of Intellectual Nationalistic forum of sorts. The way I see it; Imageboard users fall into two camps: The intellectual libertarians and the retarded alt-right, regardless of nationality/race/whatever. Sure, there are people who are "apolitical" who don't seem to have political views on the surface, but they are merely repressed. You can still see their thinking patterns and general archetype of either camp manifested in them, be it in discussions about women, anime, blackpill, and so on and so forth. A few fall outside these two camps, Dyaush included. Dyaush is bit of a moderate nationalist, and in order to attempt to create his vision of a sanitized, pseudo-intellectual forum with a heavy emphasis on nationalism; when faced with mod candidates from either camp, he picked those with a strong nationalistic fervour. Virtually no one in the first camp, within the Indian context is a nationalist, for reasons that are pretty fucking obvious. That's why the mods are so retarded. (To be continued)

UN

RcvxAu

No.1590

Test

IN

tstHNz

No.1591

>>1590

It's called bumpu schizoid coomer.

Anonymous

IN

7e6Phb

No.1592

>>1591

Maybe he was testing if 45000 minutes are over or not

UN

RcvxAu

No.1593

>>1591

I was checking if I was banned, dyaush removed some post of mine.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1594

>>1592

?

IN

tstHNz

No.1595

>>1593

Yrrr! It shows in account status.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1596

>>1595

Didn't want to go back to the homepage.

UN

RcvxAu

No.1610

>>1396(OP)

I have realised something. Ghibli AI was artificially pushed by algorithims so that they could accumulate data of peoples faces, that is associated with conversation history from Chatgpt. Think about it; AI mirror did exist prior to the whole Ghibli wave, you used to see that shit on 4chan, earlier. There is no real reason as to why Ghibli got so popular; I doubt most people have even heard of Ghibli prior to the shill campaign. The reason is simple, If you can obtain data of peoples faces, and connect it to how they talk, they topics which they talk about, and other factors, You can link certain physiognomical features with certain conversational traits, provided you have enough data. Once you have got enough data, and have trained the model, with associations from conversational traits to physiognomy; You can carry out the reverse process i.e by analysing someones conversations, you can come up with a close estimate of that persons face. Very usefull for glowies.

UN

iq50Z2

No.1649

I’m so back

Anonymous

ROJR

82GvkM

No.1650

>>1649

Hello saar.

UN

iq50Z2

No.1651

JANNY ARE YOU OKAY?

UN

iq50Z2

No.1652

>>1650

Can I haz mod?

Anonymous

ROJR

82GvkM

No.1653

>>1652

we are not looking for new mods sirs but i will consider your email as a submission so if we need we will pingoo

UN

iq50Z2

No.1654

>>1650

Hello gaypoo

UN

iq50Z2

No.1655

>>1653

Why did you mistake me for the spammer?

Anonymous

ROJR

82GvkM

No.1656

once again apologies for the inconvenience

i didn't have time to review - but there's still majority chance that you were involved in past spams or groups - doesn't matter now ig.

Anonymous

ROJR

82GvkM

No.1657

>>1655

there's enough data for that >>1656

UN

iq50Z2

No.1658

>>1656

I wasn’t involved in anything yaar. Check if you want.

>>1657

Send it to me via email.

Anonymous

ROJR

82GvkM

No.1659

>>1658

>I wasn’t involved in anything yaar. Check if you want.

hmm

>>1658

>Send it to me via email.

Tbh we may or may not share such details with you. So you gotta trust me bro on this one.

Anonymous

ROJR

82GvkM

No.1660

Also too busy for this, maybe some other day.

UN

iq50Z2

No.1661

>>1660

Alright. Whenever you’re free.

UN

iq50Z2

No.1662

>>1659

I legitimately wasn’t involved. Interesting to know where the misconception stems. I agree I have been pretty vocal about my disapproval of this site and you’re policies, but that isn’t sound reason. For what it’s worth, I trust your 20 user max chan a lot more than any large image board or social media.

UN

iq50Z2

No.1663

>>1662

*your

Anonymous

ROJR

82GvkM

No.1664

>>1662

>I agree I have been pretty vocal about my disapproval of this site and you’re policies, but that isn’t sound reason.

Nope it's not, for the most part i was pretty unaware that this account was of yours. It's only when this realization occur - only reason actions were reverted were due to this that you were associated with the account.

Anonymous

ROJR

82GvkM

No.1665

It was related to 4chan spams to give an idea, nothing to do with critique - that's alright and welcome'd

Anonymous

IN

Ra9gdQ

No.1667

@dyaush delete this thread

UN

iq50Z2

No.1668

>>1667

Fuck off

UN

iq50Z2

No.1669

Thoughts on psyops, astroturfing and imageboards:

I feel imageboards as a medium are probably the most vulnerable medium to astroturfing and psyops, due to the fact that users aren't discernable, and the fact that the user's history isn't visible. About a month ago, I conducted a social experiment on bharatchan, something which I would call "meta-larping", i.e pretending that one is a larper without doing any larping whatsoever. The influence on this site was pronounced. On 4chan, it was revealed or discussed by the jannies, that one anon, with an LLM accounted for a whopping 10% of the posts on /pol/, steering the narrative as he wished. While the imageboard may be the easiest medium for conducting large scale psyops, it has it's drawbacks, i.e it doesn't allow for targeted psyops. Social media algorithms, like that of Twitter solve this problem by targeted psyops. The 4chan hack caused a large portion of the userbase to migrate to twitter. As the Trump administration, fucks up more and more, day by day; Even the best psyops on an Imageboard are bound to fail, given the fact that everyone gets to see the same posts, and it isn't tailored per user. The exodus of 4cuck users to xitter, allow them to remain in their engineered bubble, free from contradicting opinions.

UN

iq50Z2

No.1670

>>1669

Any large imageboard in the modern day will inevitable fail due to how easy engineering the narrative is, with LLMs, once it reaches a certain threshold of users.

UN

iq50Z2

No.1671

>>1670

And it's not just about LLMs, it's about the very nature of imageboards, themselves, it's flawed at it's core.