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What does SGTOW anon want?
BHJIXY
No.537055
I dont understand his philosophy? It all seems very incoherent. What are the principles and goals of his ideology?
RZVqmx
No.537060
>>537055(OP)
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aO5Uo8
No.537061
>>537055(OP)
As always, baman ki beti
zHm3dt
No.537062
>>537055(OP)
Amicable separation of shudras from hinduism, and identification of shudra jatis, most larp as kshatriyas and refuse to admit they are shudras and claim some divine descent from figures like Krishna or rulers like Gurjara Pratihara
BHJIXY
No.537063
Like he talks about shudras going their own way but i dont even understand what thats even supposed to mean. Shudras were always independent to begin with practicing their own family trades. What does it mean to go their own way when they have always been free?
Does he mean renouncing hinduism? But why would shudras renounce their own gods? Hindu gods and festivals like diwali holi dont belong to any specific varna and have been worshipped and celebrated indians/hindus.
Does he mean renouncing vedic ritualism/brahminism? Shudras never performed vedic rituals or became patrons of brahmins to begin with so how can they renounce what they never followed?
BHJIXY
No.537067
zHm3dt
No.537068
>>537063
1. All festivals are not equally Shudra, and not all deities are equally for same Varna
2. Yes, I do want complete detachment of shudra from and all forms of Ved Upanishad Puranic smriti hinduism
BHJIXY
No.537091
>>537068
Isnt the popular hindu pantheon of gods universal to all casts? Yes certain deities are more worshipped among certain casts but gods like shiva, shakti, krishna, rama etc. have been worshipped by all ancient indians/hindus. Also diwali holi are universal to all hindus. Its non abrahamic native indian culture essentially.
o2wc1h
No.537115
I don't know the ideals of sgtow
but as a shudra myself, I opt to practice hinduism and i and fond of it
the only problem is i won't be following any current rules like itne se itne baje tak upwas rakho, aise karo, vaise karo from any brahmin anymore
shudras of my colony follow brahminical rule more than the brahmins(they have separate colony and they treat it like fking gokuldham like nobody stranger is welcomed there) who were dancing ,eating and enjoying in grahan during holi while shudras/others were siting at home
like one anon said:
hijda aurat se jyada mattakar chalta hai
zHm3dt
No.537117
>>537091
>Isnt the popular hindu pantheon of gods universal to all casts?
Nope. Big misconception . Scripturally it should be that way, this is hinduism influence but locally by GYOW I mean just worshipping your tribal clan deity , and abandoning deities of larger hinduism.
>Yes certain deities are more worshipped among certain casts but gods like shiva, shakti, krishna, rama etc. have been worshipped by all ancient indians/hindus. Also diwali holi are universal to all hindus. Its non abrahamic native indian culture essentially.
Lmfao, visit any trad discussion. Different (indian)s have different specific festivities
Also I want appropriated Shudra deities like Gopala of Yadavs to be reclaimed by shudras. Today Yadavas get mocked for claiming descent from their own ancestral god who was merged with krishna
zHm3dt
No.537122
>>537117
Raksha Bandhan is a brahminical
Navratri Kshatriya
Diwali Vaishya
Holi is shudra
It goes far deeper. I have spent years lurking in trad and (indian) unionist twitter, I know these stuff well
aO5Uo8
No.537124
zHm3dt
No.537132
>>537115
I respect you, this is also what I often mentioned in SGTOW threads, shudras who choose to stay hindu should atleast not be overzealous about it, and absolutely eat meat, it is one of the few privileges hindu scriptures give Shudras
>hijda aurat se jyada mattakar chalta hai
Couldn't have said it better
BHJIXY
No.537136
>>537117
>just worshipping your tribal clan deity , and abandoning deities of larger hinduism.
Why?
>Different casts have different specific festivities.
I know. I was talking about common festivals like diwali, holi, navratri, raksha bhandan, makar sakranti etc. Those are universal. Also different states also have different flavour of hinduism like more shaktism in bengal assam, more vaishnavism in gangetic region and more shaivism in himalayan states and south india but its still all hinduism.
CwPrw5
No.537137
I am an atheist but still call myself hindu
I hate katlullas more than anything
Shudras need new religion tbh, some anti (indian) sect of hinduism with high T practices like meat eating etc
BHJIXY
No.537138
>>537122
>Raksha Bandhan is a brahminical
>Navratri Kshatriya
>Diwali Vaishya
>Holi is shudra
WTF. Do we both live in same country?
zHm3dt
No.537147
>>537136
>Why?
Going your own way.
>I know. I was talking about common festivals like diwali, holi, navratri, raksha bhandan, makar sakranti etc. Those are universal. Also different states also have different flavour of hinduism like more shaktism in bengal assam, more vaishnavism in gangetic region and more shaivism in himalayan states and south india but its still all hinduism.
Check this >>537122
And I want common Shudra jatis to dissociate from larger hinduism. I don't care what celebrate they celebrate really, GYOW aftrtall but I want them to stop self identifying as part of larger hinduism which I have made very clear how and why
zHm3dt
No.537150
>>537138
Yes we do. You have not been deep into these stuff, I have. It seems you are very very naive and less knowledgeable in these regards compared to me, so I am wasting my time talking to you.
I should ideally be running these movement on twitter but that place glows
BHJIXY
No.537152
BHJIXY
No.537156
>>537150
Those festivals are celebrated by all hindus. Are you deliberately playing fool?
o2wc1h
No.537161
>>537152
idk
maybe manusmriti is very balanced either sides
except political parts, rest are holy kino tho
but then the question arises
that these practices are ancient and at that time they would have obv not been allowed to do anything at all
you are asking (why) by putting your feet in modern era's shoes
EsVSQL
No.537165
>>537152
I don't hate larger Hindu pantheon though, i simply want shudras to not associate with the larger and worship their own ancestral tribal god dissociating from mainstream hinduism
EsVSQL
No.537166
>>537156
That is the imposition of hinduism btw,like I said you are far behind in these regards compared to me
aO5Uo8
No.537167
>>537165
>worship their own ancestral tribal god dissociating from mainstream hinduism
this is based
BHJIXY
No.537168
>>537137
>Shudras need new religion tbh, some anti cast sect of hinduism.
But casts already exist without hinduism. How would there have been shudras to begin with if cast didnt already exist.
o2wc1h
No.537172
>>537168
he is talking in worship and ancient cultural thing
while you are stuck in modern politics castu
atleast try to understand
EsVSQL
No.537174
Basically I want shudras to be mlecchas/avarnas from shastra perspective
EsVSQL
No.537175
>>537167
I should clarify by mainstream hinduism I mean Ved Upanishad Purana Smriti
BHJIXY
No.537178
>>537166
Stop being so self righteous. Show me how you are claiming those universally hindu festivals belong to any specific cast. Diwali being celebrated as a grand festival in india was documented by foreign travellers like Faxian and hieun tsang.
o2wc1h
No.537179
>>537175
by disassociating from text?
wdym by that?
should not anyone have full knowledge about it
not cramming for quotes of geeta but still
EsVSQL
No.537182
>>537178
Again, gradual accumulation of hinduism. Kshatriyas hold Navratri/astra puja as holy for obvious reasons , Vaishyas hold diwali auspicious as it is greatest time of year for business +lakshmi kuber worship, shudras hold Holi dear as everyone is coloured in colours removing our distinctions from life. These are arguments I read many times on trad twitter and accepted arguments amongst conservative circles
EsVSQL
No.537184
>>537179
Complete and full rejection of those scriptures .
o2wc1h
No.537189
>>537184
i myself am fond of tantra and practice it to just a little bit of extent cause i know it works and it harmful
but I am ignoring to get a guru and stuff because i don't know who is larping or real
EsVSQL
No.537191
>>537189
Don't do it
1WZjZg
No.537213
>>537182
This sounds just like forced association of a cast with festival. Yes diwali is good for business but even shudras like kumhar diya makers, sunar jewellery makers and other craftsmen made money off of it. Its natural festival brings economic activity. Diwali was a grand hindu festival even in time of Al Biruni as recorded in his memoirs.
Holi is a spring festival. It celebrates arrival of spring. Makar sakranti is harvest festival and celebrated at the end of harvest festival by entire village or kingdom for prosperity. Lekin cast dekhne wale marxists to festivals ko bhi cast me bant sakte hai.
EsVSQL
No.537221
>>537213
Is Lakshmi associated with shudras ?
I already mentioned it, the chief rituals surrounding diwali are vaishya coded .
>Holi is a spring festival. It celebrates arrival of spring. Makar sakranti is harvest festival and celebrated at the end of harvest festival by entire village or kingdom for prosperity. Lekin cast dekhne wale marxists to festivals ko bhi cast me bant sakte hai.
You can cope however you want but this division position is from hindu traditionalists not marxists
o2wc1h
No.537225
>>537191
will even kali maa will not give darshan to me for being a shudra :(
or maybe dhumavati maa?
EsVSQL
No.537232
>>537225
You will be raped spiritually and physically if you even think of worshipping dhumavati
1WZjZg
No.537241
>>537221
Is only laxmi worshipped on diwali. It celebrates homecoming of rama a kshatriya. In bengal durga puja is done during diwali. I mean come on your division of hindu festivals based on cast is so retarded. Idea of diwali being a capitalist festival was given by marxists. Trads have their share of retards or there is a psyop going on. All this cast bullshit in festivals is sheer retardation.
o2wc1h
No.537250
>>537232
i am suffering the consequences of worshipping kali ma
my right eye stays red all the time(maybe screentime)after chanting beej mantra in mind at night meditation
EsVSQL
No.537258
>>537241
It is not , Bengalis are already very far strayed from mainstream hinduism, diwali is celebration of Rama's homecoming , not of war like Dussehra. Capitalism is not identical to vaishya hood, your own understanding of varna is flawed lmfao, karpartri rebuked the association of Vaishyas to capitalists long ago. Ironically right now it seems you are espousing Marxist viewpoints by taking my vaishya coded to mean capitalism, I am being more of a hindu with more knowledge here
EsVSQL
No.537259
uFWJZ5
No.537263
>>537055(OP)
Dissociation with (indian) system and certain societal rules
Alright good
But dissociation with god or spiritually philosophical truth
Nah don't do it
God and truth is not bound by some social system, remember that some of the same gods were worshipped outside too and still got blessed.
Nothing even comes close when compared to foreign stuff against vedantic philosophies , upanishads, yog and dhyan.
uFWJZ5
No.537266
EsVSQL
No.537268
1WZjZg
No.537269
>>537258
I was just pointing out how retarded that interpretation is. Somehow a festival is vaishya festival just because it is grand? Diwali is indian equivalent of christmas in scale and economic activity. Whats next now? Christmas is actually a bourgeoisie festival and not a christian festival?
EsVSQL
No.537272
>>537269
Hinduism is a collaboration between jastis so the comparison to christianity is not even correct
o2wc1h
No.537273
>>537268
but that is the problem
I don't have any local gurus here + online are just dhando making fake larpers
maybe use forums of real babas who give related gyaan instead of guiding any specific person/membership
but i am afraid of psyops too, what if they intentionally made it to keep away the destroyer of their texts?
1WZjZg
No.537277
>>537272
Every society is a collaboration of classes and businesses. So tell me now. Is christmas a capitalist festival and not a christian festival? It is very capitalism coded with all the sales and shopping going on.
EsVSQL
No.537279
>>537277
Not the same thing, hinduism is built up from this collaborayion down to the scriptures , not christianity . This is the absolute trad fundamental position , if you can't agree to this I won't discuss as I am wasting my time
EsVSQL
No.537282
>>537279
And for your question, in a christian society christmas is a sweeping festival for a common god, son of Yahweh Jesus's birthday and it appeals to all of christian society across their classes
To me a shudra my own clan festival, holi is far more dear than diwali since I simply don't feel that connection to Lakshmi/Narayana and Ram who aren't my tribal deities
o2wc1h
No.537286
remember:
this discussion could last for more hours only for a guy not understanding or accepting stuff
1WZjZg
No.537290
>>537279
What a cope. Saar diwali is a vaishya festival due to business but christmas is christian festival saar. Magically christmas is not same as diwali even tho it increases economic activity and shopping. It is western equivalent of diwali in scale of celebration and being the holiday season.
Also bible talks about slavery fyi.
Also say 'Yeshu maa maryam ka haramzada' to prove you are not a crypto xtian.
EsVSQL
No.537292
>>537286
I am not even insulting hinduism, i have never even insulted it, I can't understand what OP is getting so worked up about, what I am saying is literally traditionalist position held by some of the most scripturally well read brahmin trad accounts I used to follow on twitter
MKXOvw
No.537297
this whole thread proves why an average shudra cleans gutters
o2wc1h
No.537298
>>537292
he is surface level dweller
yet to find what "his side" actually says
let it be
everyone goes thru phases
EsVSQL
No.537299
>>537290
>in scale of celebration and being the holiday season.
Handu I am speaking in terms of ritual significance and deity worshipped , you have to go back to shilling for BJP
>Also bible talks about slavery fyi.
And?
>Also say 'Yeshu maa maryam ka haramzada' to prove you are not a crypto xtian.
I have never insulted any religion nor any (indian) here and this was a policy in my SGTOW threads throughout , and I refuse to do it to please a raita handu
o2wc1h
No.537301
>>537297
i didn't understand ur point thoroughly nigha
ax+jeF
No.537306
>>537298
Also let me also clarify, say OP refuses to accept my point of the varna significance of various festivals and say he still insists of the equal importance of every festival to all varnas
I will leave this discussion with this, self respect is more important than a festival whose deity is not as important to me.
1WZjZg
No.537309
>>537299
Cope. Ritual significance saar. Christmas is christian festival saar but diwali is vaishya festival saar.
Diwali is about homecoming of rama and lighting of diyas to signify victory of light or good over evil.
EsVSQL
No.537315
>>537309
>Ritual significance saar. Christmas is christian festival saar but diwali is vaishya festival saar.
Officially arguing with a raita
>Diwali is about homecoming of rama and lighting of diyas to signify victory of light or good over evil.
And who is worshipped in hindu households on that day? What are the rituals for diwali ? You are almost there
1WZjZg
No.537318
>>537299
And in christmas santa bringing gifts at night is remembered far more than jesus so what is it? A festival aboit christ or capitalism coded festival to boost business.
MKXOvw
No.537319
>>537301
didnt understand for 3000 years why would you understand now
EsVSQL
No.537321
>>537315
And I also reiterated I don't hold Rama or Lakshmi as dear as my own clan/(indian) and village deities , which was my point of GYOW while remaining within a theistic fold (i remain towards agnosticism)
I have completely utterly btfod OP's claims of "you are asking Shudras to leave their own gods and festivals " and now he is coping
o2wc1h
No.537322
>>537306
>self respect is more important than a festival whose deity is not as important to me
true for me
idk why i never feel vibes from shri ram , it feels so forced
EsVSQL
No.537323
>>537318
No, for religious christians it also involves going to mass which is the ritual in question here
o2wc1h
No.537325
>>537319
>kekek, 3000 saal tak nyoo paani
<another jhumar acting le based and thinking he just btfo'd me
why you midwits are like that
chill kar nigha
1WZjZg
No.537326
>>537315
>who is worshipped in hindu households on that day?
Lakshmi for prosperity and Ganesha for well being and they are worshipped by all casts. BTW who is santa? Why is he and his gifts remembered far more on christmas than birth of christ?
MKXOvw
No.537331
>>537122
dont care about other festivals but holi is 100% a shudra festival the word holi makes me think of kalu gawars throwing uggo water on pipal
1WZjZg
No.537333
>>537323
>for religious christians it also involves going to mass which is the ritual in question here.
Cope. You are a crypto christian or a christcuck sympathiser at the very least. Tell me should christmas be a capitalism coded festival built around santa giving presents.
EsVSQL
No.537338
>>537326
Lakshmi is a deity closest to Vaishyas ,same for ganesha btw, lakshmi ganesha joint worship is a chiefly vaishya ritual , any business/trader /local dukandaar keeps photo of ganesh Lakshmi together.
I hope you understand what I am trying to say
>BTW who is santa? Why is he and his gifts remembered far more on christmas than birth of christ?
It is not though, the day is chiefly about birth of Christ
EsVSQL
No.537340
>>537333
>Cope. You are a crypto christian or a christcuck sympathiser at the very least. Tell me should christmas be a capitalism coded festival built around santa giving presents
>Please parrot my words or accept my strawman
I accept your admission of defeat . Here is what I will say christmas is, it is appropriation of the date of a roman pagan festival(Yule) but it is chiefly about the birth of jesus in christianity
o2wc1h
No.537342
>>537326
>BTW who is santa? Why is he and his gifts remembered far more on christmas than birth of christ?
pajeet sharing his valuable opinion on non-pajeet things
end this thread now
no more discussions
1WZjZg
No.537346
>>537338
Keep coping. Your christcuck sympathising and apologia is showing. You sound like a christcuck apologist right now. Santa is more popular than christ on christmas. Christmas is their festivals of light and gifts. It is capitalism coded festival to boost business by your logic.
EsVSQL
No.537349
>>537342
This thread was created specifically by OP to try and "trap" me and he failed miserably
o2wc1h
No.537350
>>537346
not everything is what it looks like anon
do your dadi tells you about her gora bf tales of santa bakchodi
>everybhere on twitter
twitter != irl
EsVSQL
No.537351
>>537346
You can use any strawman you want, but i hope you sleep knowing that your attempt to bait and trap me failed brutally miserably , and you have only displayed your own ignorance and followed by walls of cope
1WZjZg
No.537356
>>537342
Fuck off you have nothing valuable to add. He has been outted as a christcuck sympathiser.
>>537340
I accept your admission of defeat. Christmas inspired by pagan festival is a capitalism coded festival built around exchanging gifts. Santa is inspired from a christcuck saint who brings gifts and he is remembered more than christ on christmas.
C/t09k
No.537357
>>537349
Yaar samefagger, how come there is always someone out of the blue asking some random shit about your shoodra mobement whenever it becomes irrelevant, which has already been dissvussed here a thousand times? I see nothing else but you samefagging.
o2wc1h
No.537358
>>537357
>nufags
1WZjZg
No.537360
>>537351
Ok christcuck. Please celebrate your christian festivals while telling hindus their festivals are vaishya festivals.
EsVSQL
No.537362
>>537356
No you fucking faggot it is built around the birth of jesus christ and the festival also involves visiting the church and mass, christmas carols, reading scriptures all focused around Jesus , which is a deity/ritual that pervades all of christian society .
As opposed to Lakshmi Ganesh worship on diwali which is a vaishya ritual and I have not much association to it
>He has been outted as a christcuck sympathiser.
Proof?
EsVSQL
No.537365
>>537357
I swear on my forefathers i did not make this thread , but yeah, thanks to OP I got some engagement and got to discuss SGTOW again.
EsVSQL
No.537366
o2wc1h
No.537368
>>537366
yaar leave the win/lose part
EsVSQL
No.537370
>>537368
Ok yaar
Do seek help and do not dabble in Tantra, remember the gods are not fond of us doing rituals and on top of that tantra is very risky , the hindu gods don't have very favourable opinions of us so be careful
Good night
1WZjZg
No.537372
>>537362
Saar your festival diwali is actually a vaishya festival saar not hindu while my christmas is christian festival saar. Saar i will call your festival vaishya coded but i will not call christmas inspired by pagan festival and built around santa and exchanging gifts a capitalism coded saar.
o2wc1h
No.537373
>>537370
>Do seek help and do not dabble in Tantra,
not a regular practitioner
just do it for fun
>gods are not fond of us doing rituals
sed yaar
>Good night
gn mitra
1WZjZg
No.537374
>>537366
>i won saar i give myself medal of victory saar now i can sleep better saar.
o2wc1h
No.537376
>>537374
gn to you to mitra
tum dono hi chutiyo jaise mast lade aaj
>you cope christcuck
>you lose , now cope
kek yaar,mast ent quota pura ho gya
WSe48I
No.537408
>>537338
>Lakshmi is a deity closest to Vaishyas ,same for ganesha btw, lakshmi ganesha joint worship is a chiefly vaishya ritual , any business/trader /local dukandaar keeps photo of ganesh Lakshmi together.
This is some retarded cherrypicking. Baniyas are usually krishna devotees and vaishnavites. Yes lakshmi and ganesha are also worshipped but i have never seen anyone attributing hindu gods to specific c@stes except for you. I always assumed ganesha worship is huge in maharashtra and isnt just a baniya thing.
t. Baniya
HPJWj1
No.537423
>>537408
>Yes lakshmi and ganesha are also worshipped but i have never seen anyone attributing hindu gods to specific c@stes except for you
Specific jatis, specific kulas, specific families have their own deities and rituals. This is absolutely basic hinduism. And yes worship of Lakshmi Ganesha as it is done on diwali in mainstream hinduism is a Baniya ritual mostly
Do none of your family members who run dukaans/businesses keep photo of lakshmi Ganesh at their trade? You are intentionally being oblivious
WSe48I
No.537430
>>537423
Well what you say does make sense that business people are more likely to worship her given she is goddess of fortune but who doesnt want fortune. Kshatriyas also worship her during diwali, don't they? Also we are shrinathji/krishna devotees usually so i dont think it makes sense to make hindu gods specific to a certain c@ste. Ganesha worship is also very huge in maharashtra.
EsVSQL
No.537432
>>537430
>Kshatriyas also worship her during diwali, don't they? Also we are shrinathji/krishna devotees usually so i dont think it makes sense to make hindu gods specific to a certain c@ste.
Rituals are indeed specific to certain (indian)s, that.. .that is literally the basis of (indian)s. Some Kshatriyas may worship lakshmi Ganesh on diwali for prosperity but the primary rituals of Kshatriyas are weapon worship on navratri, various animal sacrifices for war success and related yajnas
Lakshmi Ganesha puja, which is done on diwali is a mostly Vaishya associated ritual. This is a fact.
Ganesha alone worship is a more Ganapatya thing which is popular in maharastra
Similarly for shudras Vishwakarma puja is most important, and holi is our special festival as everyone is coloured hiding all social distinctions on that day
I hope you understand what I am trying to say. Rituals, worship of specific deities in certain combinations etc being specific to (indian)s is literally the basis of (indian)s/Varnas even shankaracharya says this
WSe48I
No.537435
>>537432
I agree on rituals being unique to c@stes.
EsVSQL
No.537440
>>537435
Now every (indian)s has specific rituals they observe on certain festivals. For vaishyas your most important is wealth related stuff, kubera worship, Ganesha-Lakshmi joint worship all happen on diwali. For kshatriyas, weapon worship , pashubali on dussehra , Ravan Dahan on Vijaydashami
We shudras have no rituals, holi involves no rituals btw (observe this, holika dahan at night, not on morning when we play holi). It symbolises the rubbing of differences as everyone gets coloured by the colours
WSe48I
No.537442
>>537440
But holi is celebrated by non shudras as well.
EsVSQL
No.537443
>>537442
Sure, but it's most significance is for us and Avarnas. Non shudras also worship Vishwakarma, but his most significance is for us
WSe48I
No.537445
>>537443
I always viewed the colour play on holi as just a form of celebration like fireworks and rangoli on diwali.
WSe48I
No.537448
Also isnt holi also celebrated to welcome phalgun/spring season?
EsVSQL
No.537449
>>537448
What is the ritual of Holi aka applying colours
64bnhe
No.537451
>>537449
Makes sense. Spring brings back colours after long ass winters. You are also encouraged to forget old bitterness and enemities.
