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Indian TFR collapse
FTrv59
No.505933
>Rs 25k for 3rd child: AP unveils India’s first draft popn policy
One of the worst memes bought by Indians was 'over population'. The people who pushed this agenda were only worried that the population of the third world was non westerners was increasing compared to the collapse of westerners.
Our birth rate already peaked long back. Have been saying it since a long time Indians don't know what issues they should look from macro perspective and what issues from micro perspectives.
TFR is one thing which should have been seen from the perspective of state not country. Bihar having TFR doesn't offset the fact that South Indian and all major states are seeing TFR collapse.
The idea of culture should be seen from the perspective of the city culture not state as a whole. It makes one retarded and uncaring about their own city which should be their immediate concern.
Anyway we will see such news becoming norm more in the future. TFR can only be improved by early marriage, indian government is currently going opposite direction by pushing the marriageable age to late 20s. Real estate bakchodi of politicians and babus need to be demolished.
Interesting times.
FTrv59
No.505941
>>505933(OP)
Our TFR is likely lower, our estimated population is likely lower than projected.
jbdggd
No.505943
FTrv59
No.505944
TFR for indian states in 2020 vs TFR for EU states in 2023. EU is richer, has better TFR.
It's very likely that our TFR is overstated and EU tfr is understated.
This is not good.
70YSqj
No.505946
>>505933(OP)
TFR should be reduced. The total population of India should be low enough that each person can have a locally produced high protein and millets diet. Once this threshold is reached, then nazi germany style couple loans should be implemented to stabilize population.
FTrv59
No.505948
>>505943
You are a pajeet yourself.
xR8QtC
No.505949
>>505933(OP)
Overpopulation has always been a meme. India doesn't have high population density. Things seem crowded because our cities are designed by baboons.
Anyways we will soon see B(Bihari)NWO as they replenish our TFR decline in Kashmir and South.
GZ8O0M
No.505952
>>505933(OP)
dayus yaar is that you?
LKZsbG
No.505954
>>505949
>Anyways we will soon see B(Bihari)NWO as they replenish our TFR decline in Kashmir
Replace Kashmiris with Biharis, and the insurgency will stop
LKZsbG
No.505957
>>505933(OP)
Heelo Dayush, please make an /Auto board for us Car Chads, thanx
FTrv59
No.505958
>>505946
This is dumb take. Instead of talking about improving the productivity, better utilization for resources you are trying to create a scenario which may lead to unintended consequences - to the point of complete replacement because it will happen. People are already not able to find the workers for their jobs and use cases - this is mostly training issue but there's other side to that villages are becoming empty.
India's problem are not 'lack of resources'. It's a stupid meme. It's lack of better utilization of resources. We have improved a lot in this regard but we can do better.
Our cities which are richer look worse than cities which are way poorer because entire tier 3 governance has collapsed. Resolve these issues it can get better.
JDqn9b
No.505959
>>505943
Zz retard
C23hwv
No.505960
Degrowth poltics of which antinatalism is part of is just nothing more than the projection depression and suicidal urge reflected on the entire nation and something even the species.
xR8QtC
No.505962
>>505956
Now compare India with Japan, China, SEA and industrial zones in EU and North America. Why is only india known to be "overpopulated"? Chappal forum users have zero comprehension skills
FTrv59
No.505963
>>505957
Hmm sir.
C23hwv
No.505964
>>505956
India's population density is less than Taiwan, Netherlands or South Korea
Gi9SYU
No.505968
>>505964
Size bhi matter karta hai ladle. Its exponentially easier to run a small country
FTrv59
No.505969
>>505960
It's self defeatist ideology because they have been psyoped into the belief that only way to improve things is to kill themselves - it's a psyops because it gives more control to the people who actually failed at one job they had. And somehow despite their failure they are given more power to control the people.
FTrv59
No.505971
>>505965
Not 64, but i think late 90s.
jbdggd
No.505973
FTrv59
No.505976
>>505971
In terms of peak birth.
C23hwv
No.505977
>>505968
Urban governance matters more than population destiny.
UOv1L+
No.505978
>>505933(OP)
>Comes back from hiatus
>Immediately starts talking about nation building
God bless you yaara 
IOSFjS
No.505979
>>505933(OP)
Gayush saar?
mkknU1
No.505980
Gi9SYU
No.505983
>>505977
Which is directly controlled by state politicians
jbdggd
No.505984
80 crore streetshitters are on government rationp, we don't need more streetshitters that suck the taxpayer dry, you're retarded to think otherwise
mkknU1
No.505986
>>505971
I meant in terms of avg kids per woman, my bad
C23hwv
No.505987
>>505973
They were also filled with steetshitters when they were our level of wealth.
Taiwan streets bacially looks like a fancy, trash free version of vishwaguru's own.
>>505969
Which is why these people shouldn't be treated as serious poltical thought but as psychotic thoughts that needs them to shipped out to a mental hospital.
We can't afford to entrain any of these shitty nimby degrowthers.
FTrv59
No.505988
>>505984
Don't shit in this thread. Create another thread for your viewpoint.
Gi9SYU
No.505990
>>505933(OP)
Imho, population issue is a meme by Politicians to hide their incapability of utilizing this population. Had japenese be in charge of this population we would quite literally be southern europe
LKZsbG
No.505992
>>505963
I hope other boards get some life too, had to here on /b
C23hwv
No.505993
>>505984
Do you think screaming loudy will make your braindead ideology better? Absolute tranny behaviour
C23hwv
No.505996
>>505983
It's controlled by many things, but as population grows richer, their needs including better urban infrastructure also grows. Not the other way around.
IOSFjS
No.506000
>>505933(OP)
K2was and lowborns are pumping out more and more biomass while Nation builders are are choosing not to. Future looks grim
JDqn9b
No.506004
>>505984
Reddit is that way
C23hwv
No.506005
>>506003
It's called the Dependency ratio, retard. Kids are supposed to be a burden in the first decades, so that they will be productive and support a strong retirement benifit for us later.
FkR/nW
No.506007
This is a good thing. Bring the numbers down to 1947 levels. We don't need more than 300-400 million people. It is time to become automated AI superpower
jbdggd
No.506009
>>506005
>so that they will be productive and support a strong retirement benifit for us later.
How is this gonna work exactly? These kids won't be productive, they'll be living on ration cards, and then their kids, pajeet sarkar works on gibs, they'll be living on gibs, productive pajeets don't live in India.
I can understand improving TFR for people above a certain wealth quintile will definitely help in future, but that's not how it works in the shithole, the ones having multiple kids are the bottom of barrel
70YSqj
No.506013
>>505958
My plan is to solve indians being dysgenic short weak and ugly. In the age of the greeks, Indians were know for being extremely tall. Also this diet will improve IQ which will result in scientific innovation.
FkR/nW
No.506014
>>505960
Wrong. Less numbers means less gibs. Means less inertia from the masses as they're not so mass-y anymore. We need a full on reboot of everything. Imagine how much easier it'll be to redevelop urban cities with 60% less population. No auto union or hawker union or chappri gang or this or that to interfere with nation building. It is absolutely necessary our excess numbers always stop us from advancing we need to advance we must advance
70YSqj
No.506015
>>506009
Agreed this is one of dyaushes most retarded takes.
FkR/nW
No.506016
We depopulate while AI and robotics gets cheaper and better over the decades and we use the money saved from unspent gibs to invest in becoming automated AI superpower
very simple.
JDqn9b
No.506018
India need TFR 2.5 and above period. To keep the growth up and the economy
JDqn9b
No.506020
>>506016
Fairytale
UOv1L+
No.506024
>>505995
All good yaar
FTrv59
No.506025
>Have been saying it since a long time Indians don't know what issues they should look from macro perspective and what issues from micro perspectives.
Half of you naysayers keep falling for this trap which i explained in the OP. You really can't contextualize and first reaction is driven by the 'gotcha' reddit tier arguments or worse dehati shitter tier takes.
70YSqj
No.506027
>>506016
Yes, in the age of aqaurius an AI powered drone fleet has more importance than 1 gorillion army men.
FTrv59
No.506034
>>506016
>we
There's no 'we' in your utopia of 'depopulation through ai'.
And again re-read the OP, depopulation is not solving the structural problems which we are facing. We will just be equally as bad, actually worse, with inability of proper resource utilization - in fact i am certain that - currently south india is heavily dependent on NE Indians, Biharis for lots of jobs and dev infra - in future it will be our neighbours so this whole 'depopulation' is just fairy tail and dumb.
Major chunk of the naysayers actively drift towards imaginary feel good scenarios instead of living in the current state.
C23hwv
No.506036
>muh AI will mean human population is not necessary
Heard the same shit about automation. Guess what? China which has both automation and AI, is trying to increase it's fertility rate by any means necessary.
FTrv59
No.506045
currently with tfr collapse in south indian they are dependent on the workers from other states, entire infra work in TN came to halt when north indian labourers couldn't return. you will find bengali mullahs as guards in societies now. we already know the rohingya problem.
it's a snapshot of future things which is waiting to happen. people who want to 'accelerate' the collapse of so called 'dehati' groups - are not getting this part.
lower population will not mean better quality of life, it would be worse, you will be supporting the import of pakis and kanglus eventually but the society will not improve at all.
i am pointing out at the bigger problem here. population is not an issue. it can be better utilized, most indian cities don't even have metro tier population and they are gutter tier in infra - what is stopping them for bare minimums.
FkR/nW
No.506048
We have useless eaters and we need to remove them to advance and we must advance without consequence. Whatever we do in this direction will be 100x better than bloating up handout schemes for another century. It won't last at all
70YSqj
No.506049
FkR/nW
No.506050
>>506045
we destroy all Muslims at the border and expel all who are inside under a new Emergency
we must advance, advance without consequence
FkR/nW
No.506053
>>506034
We drown Bangladesh in the sea by EXPLODING bombs at the coastline to fracture their landmass and drown the rat bastards wholesale
we dehydrate and starve Pakistan and destroy them all from within
ADVANCE WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE
70YSqj
No.506054
Unrelated, but are you pulling the plug or not?
FTrv59
No.506056
Anyway i don't have much to add on this issue but i hope anons learn to realize at the bare minimum on how to perceive issues - what issues - at macro / micro scale.
TFR issue is one such thing you should focus on. Surprisingly all this talk of '90 gorillion gibsmaxxer' was already covered in OP but the programming is so bad among these people they can't help but lash out.
Another thing, i forgot.
FTrv59
No.506058
>>506054
I don't know the answer yet. But I will update with whatever is the decision is.
C23hwv
No.506061
>>506048
>Stopped replying because he can't make a good argument only to double down on his retarded world view
This is what happens when you faggots just eat up everything you see on /pol/ without any capacity of critical thinking.
FkR/nW
No.506063
>>506061
Most of our people can't survive without ration gibs. There's no sense in going forward like this. That's all.
FVAkoQ
No.506069
>>505996
Its literally other way around. Urban infra is prepared before population boom in that area. Which out babus are completely incable of
C23hwv
No.506072
>>506063
>No evidence, facts or data , just the first thing you read on internet chanted over and over again
How do you explain indian economy improving instead of collapsing over increased population rate then? Our middle class has only started emerging in the past decade as well.
C23hwv
No.506077
>>506069
Urbanisation leads to urban development, reatard. When you bring all of the talents in a country or state into one location, they create the wealth to build the place.
That's how it worked in every industrial economy today. Commie motherfuckers think they can plan out only crash and burn.
mkknU1
No.506084
>>506069
lmao what
look at how underdeveloped and shitty London and New York were before their population boom. They used to have streets filled with horse shit and piss. New York City did not even have a sewage system and people used to dump all kinds of waste right outside. London did have one but all they did was take their shit and dump it into the Thames river
It was the continued demand for services for many decades that pushed infra to be developed in those cities, do you think they were all functioning clean towns before they turned into a city? lmao
C23hwv
No.506085
>>506081
>No arguments.
Stick to your discord safe spaces, you're ass is IQ mogged too hard elsewhere
FTrv59
No.506088
I am genuinely tired of this cacophony, pathetic low quality fights and dehumanization of each others.
It's clear that it was pushed because it blindside us from the actual issues. The stakeholders failed but somehow we fought so hard that we decided stakeholders should have more power and we should be punished for their own failure - by our own collective annihilation.
And to counter this whole thinking, first thing which we need to revert to is a path where we actually drop the dehumanization and othering. The respective of the livings. The respect to the surrounding. The self respect to deserve more than what we have right now. To appreciate those who are trying to attempt all of this. The genuine love for all of this.
TFR issue will only get resolved with early marriage, lesser burden of having kids so on. It's not incentivizing one group or the other. Middle class has been burdened and deserve better - expensive land, housing, schooling and medcare is the bottleneck.
Then comes secondary things like - non-livable cities, pollution etc. the city infra and urban governance.
If we handle the second, the collective improvements in the life of the people would already create situation for betterment - but as evident this is not the only requirements, you need to create a better situation for people to conceive the next gen. The importance of family comes in.
Long back anons and people were disparaging 'grand parents'...not realizing the crucial role they play in the upbriinging of the child. It's not abnormal to see kids spending more time with grandparents than their own parents - who are working etc.
it takes entire society to raise kids not just throwing money and make it happen.
i have seen entire houses becoming empty, people resorting to pets than children. i spent more time in gaushala recently than interacting with cows, calf and also people...it made me happy. the importance of a bustling house - it curtains lots of health issues so on.
over the last so decades we saw collective onslaught at every one of these entities - how can one expect the middle class to raise kids.
soon villages will follow the same route....it's already happening. schools being shut down because kids are not there anymore. it has happened in kerala. next half of this decade would be brootal in southern india. and I am certain the solution pushed would be more hatred for other group than actually creating better environment.
the sheer apathy of the living, the shallowness of love is disheartening right now.
C23hwv
No.506091
>>506084
These retards basically see elite encampments in colonial countries or infrastructure in once rich countries and assume that's the default. No actual understanding of wealth generation.
/LokPx
No.506097
LKZsbG
No.506102
>>506088
When will public your JainGPT that was used for this write up
70YSqj
No.506114
>>506058
Can't really give you any advice, you've probably considered all the pros and cons by now. Just do what feels right, as cliche as that sounds. Thanks for running this forum.
FkR/nW
No.506119
>>506072
>emerging
tens of millions got pushed back during covid lock down
now IT Sector decline will push back more from middle class
these aren't facts?
Z9zjRs
No.506125
>>506058
just don't take too much load on yourself pyaare. think of bhach as a daughter who became a (auto-excised). you love her, but you can't let her retardedness ruin you.
as for the rest, as someone who remembers the first time you posted this board's link on lynch ka inch, and someone who has been here since literally the first day, i trust your decision.
FTrv59
No.506129
>>506102
kek
>>506097
just venting tbh, OP was complete in itself tbh...
the middle class now is slowly making up large chunk of our populace, i hope this section gets more power and ask for improvements in things like urban governance etc.
i myself seeing lots of changes around - it's not perfect, but it's happening. hope we get it right.
>>506114
you can always reach out over the email if you want to add anything sir and thank you. i don't want to think a lot about it - letting it run as it is and hopefully will know the answer eventually.
FTrv59
No.506132
>>506125
thank you anon
BOeMRX
No.506133
>>506129
>i myself seeing lots of changes around - it's not perfect, but it's happening. hope we get it right.
True yaar. The highway I commute from regularly finally got road lights after more than 2 decades of its construction. Der aaye, durust aaye.
C23hwv
No.506138
>>506118
>improves
So you admit that India improved while it's population increased?
>B-but it didn't grow fast enough!!
Irrelevant, it means your entire ideology is retarded. And India's GDP per capita is relatively better than when it was smaller.
>>506119
>GDP goes down
>People fall into poverty
Almost like GDP actually matters!
FkR/nW
No.506139
>>506088
Dear anon, no one will have early marriage except kanglus, and urbanization = women's lib here = less marriage stability and definitely less kids.
Corruption is too much for infrastructure building, we are too centralized and IAS babus will go nowhere by magic. So we are stuck with it.
You say we've seen the beginning of the decline. And it's true. How do you possibly hope for better? It's naivete af
BOeMRX
No.506147
>>506133
All solar powered btw.
One crazy thing I noticed is that the section of highway where there are illegal jhuggi-jhonpdis has the road light khambas too. They are absolutely fine and in working condition. I saw them light up when they were first constructed a couple of months ago. Now however, that section remains dark during night. The entire highway has lights. The jhuggi-jhonpdi area too has lights but the gobarmint shut them down. I don't know why they did it. That area has the highest accident rate on the highway. Gawreeb jhuggi dweller pedestrians get hit by trucks while crossing roads there. Yet, they have intentionally stopped illuminating that part of the road.
F9CGQM
No.506149
wow dyaus saar is back
FTrv59
No.506150
>>506139
It's true that problem exist, but there's silver lining.
this thread was about tfr, but also extended issue related to urban infra, our society, our own apathy etc. one side of the things and a hope that we improve these things...
regarding why i am hopefuelled - wrote a bit on this some time back >>>/gen/3853
TD9U80
No.506156
>>505933(OP)
ever notice how only the educated middle class refuses to have more than one or two children
whereas undeucated dehatis literally populate like rabbits that too at a very early age
quantity vs quality folks
FTrv59
No.506161
>>506133
Nice yara.
>>506147
>solar powered
I think i know some people who have worked on this, government usually subcontracts these and i got to know some of these guys who were inspecting this stuff.
>btw however, that section remains dark during night. The entire highway has lights. The jhuggi-jhonpdi area too has lights but the gobarmint shut them down. I don't know why they did it. That area has the highest accident rate on the highway. Gawreeb jhuggi dweller pedestrians get hit by trucks while crossing roads there. Yet, they have intentionally stopped illuminating that part of the road.
Interesting. Government provided LED bulbs for pretty cheap for most. It's subsidised.
mOYuSq
No.506167
>>506084
When London and New York City were still growing in the 18th and early 19th centuries, they were already major commercial hubs with ports, road networks, markets, and administrative structures. That basic infrastructure existed before their explosive population growth. What came later were sanitation upgrades, not the creation of the city itself.
I can even go in detail about frcatures in your london and newyork arguement. But whatever Its not like its gonna heed something.
FTrv59
No.506171
>>506156
this is interesting caveat i was thinking about when i wrote how 'whole society' is needed to raise the kids in other post.
obviously the middle class was the one which it was applicable to. the dehati populace is old remnant.
the policy currently though is not all bad - it pushes these groups to eventually lower middle and upper but it should also be such that it sustain ths middle class and pushes them higher if not at better quality of life.
FTrv59
No.506173
>>506149
sir.
mOYuSq
No.506177
>>506084
In New York City, The street grid was planned in the Commissioners Plan of 1811, long before Manhattan filled up with residents.
Water supply infrastructure like was built in the 1840s to support future growth.
The subway system started in 1904, which then accelerated population density dramatically.
So the pattern is actually consistent,
Cities build structural infrastructure first, which then allows population expansion. Later, quality upgrades like sanitation, zoning, and transit evolve as demand rises
BOeMRX
No.506179
>>506161
I think they might have shut it down intentionally as a subtle sign of telling jhuggi dwellers to relocate. Can't think of any other reason. I am just afraid of driving in that area during night because many times these idiots jump on the highway out of nowhere. When they illuminated the road I was really happy because it meant I could drive with less stress. Now I'm always squinting, trying to see what's ahead in pitch black darkness on my khatara activa and it's ghatiya headlights.
qeY+5b
No.506182
>>505933(OP)
Make motherhood honourable. Learn from mongolia. Foids seek social validation and respect far more than men. Mongols raised their declining tfr to 2.3 by making it honourable to be a mother. If you create a culture that values higher meme education, muh cayriyer saar, says muh aurat koi bacha banane ke machine nahi, then expect birth rates to fall.
yLSdUJ
No.506183
>>506156
Stupid breed while smart don't, look at hindu and muslims
C23hwv
No.506187
>>506175
>Still no arguments
If you have nothing to stay, then stfu and stay in plebbitn1gger with your heck civil discussion.
yLSdUJ
No.506192
>>506069
I disagree with greater noida case. We got malls,metro good roads and people are still yet to come
vHR7nY
No.506194
>>505933(OP)
ha yaar, let us make the (auto-excised)oid gwareebs not work and let us pay them to sheit out more useless people out of their vajayjay.
Bladeeee evrythang is this land is catered towards the gwareeb people
FkR/nW
No.506199
>>506138
It doesn't trickle down to the middle class
it flows down to the gibs class
that's the killer
vHR7nY
No.506204
>>506182
that is fake and gay (auto-excised) propagada.
the only way to fix TFR is to give (auto-excised)oid randeees more freedom (including mujjies and all non haandu). Stop welfare and let them rot.
While taking away the UC (auto-excised)s rights away and empower the UC men. The ujeless pappulation will dry out while the useful ones shall rise.
mkknU1
No.506208
>>506167
having a port, market and road made of dirt is basic shit even Bombay had at that time. What is your point?
>>506177
retard, NYC's population exploded BEFORE they got their subway, not after. Think about it logically, a subway allows citizens to commute from points A and B to a certain C wherever it is, so would adding public transport increase population density in a city or decrease it?
FTrv59
No.506223
It's very important to feel 'belong' to the place. Once you consider yourself belonging to the people, to the place - you will automatically be pushed to improve things because they become extended part of our existence.
One of the most beautiful part of the japan - ig.
>the most beautiful thing about japanese feels like how much care or love they have put in their surrounding, the culture of loving or caring about even the most miniscule things. To the point it may seem implicit for them but anyone who is alien it's remarkable. Something recently in a convo with motivanon he also experienced and talked about.
I yearn for this feeling among Indians, but there's a reason why we had a mixed success in that regard. Another thing is why i am not a big fan of car culture - not that it's not big in japan rather cuz it created a sense of distance among the babus/afsar/neta and the society they were part of. one of my biggest criticism against the armed forces is their gated societies - a kshatriya was supposed to learn and know about its society - the people it was defending. but they are now gated away from the reality and it's not surprising that they come across as delusional - though the usual sipahi coming from villages is proly more rooted.
the gated societies, car centric infra as a whole is nothing but another sign of our broken society, the apathetic nature of our leaders.
to improve all of this we would need multifold approach, first thing first - the implementation of the rules is important, the fact that person can be punished for wrong doing is important. so enforcement is important but it should not be draconian rather just - it would be difficult but with appeal and enforcement things can change.
obviously we need to have inclusive development - a term which has became hated. a ppublic park, walkable infra, cycle infra, public services so on. things should be cheap with good enforcements.
it's funny because when i write this, i see the irony, the fact that i can't have this in a small imageboard and i except general society to have it more. but i do have hope.
it's very important that people feel that they belong, that it's their place, it's their society that they implicitly feel that any harm to public property is akin to harming something of their own. usually the implicit nature is not born, rather with generations of effective enforcement make it implicit - something we forget.
in general for a country like ours, the people who are poor - we are very nice bunch, we are way better behaved, civilized than most countries who were at our stage. so i have high hopes from our people. if they just get a chance they will deliver. that's all that matters.
ig that's the hopium of it all.
mOYuSq
No.506225
>>506187
Son, you're not sounding tuff
qeY+5b
No.506234
>>506014
>>505968
Its all irrelevant in per capita terms. Lower pop. means everything scales down automatically so nothing changes. Population is an excuse used by politicians as other anon said. If you arent able to utilise your pop. then there is some structural issue or your demographics are composed of genetically low iq bantus incapable of running a country.
FTrv59
No.506236
>>506224
This we should understand too, that yes policies if push 'dehatis' to middle class are not bad. however the policies should ensure that the lives of the middle class are comfy too.
BOeMRX
No.506242
>>506232
>i sometimes cycle very late like 11pm at night at pitch dark areas. one time the lights gave up kek.
Damn yaar
Dhyaan rakho
mOYuSq
No.506248
>>506224
Which is nigh impossible because there's quite literally no regulations or way for LC/LMC to move towards MC. Its the hardest class to move upward from and govt doesn't give fuck either.
C23hwv
No.506254
>>506236
If there are less dehatis and more middle class, it make your own life better, too.
FTrv59
No.506258
>>506254
Eventually the rising middle class would demand improvements in urban infra, etc. etc. All these voices we hear are outcome of that....if we improve that things will improve already.
Middle class doesn't want gibs tbh, they are more interested in just basic infra, park, maybe cheaper housing etc. would do wonders. Schooling and medicare too.
qeY+5b
No.506260
>>506204
Mongolia has higher tfr than saudi arabia. Patriarchy is possibly one way to deal with the issue but remember many times its the woman who convinces the man to have more kids not the other way round.
mOYuSq
No.506265
>>506208
You are mixing up population growth with population density inside a city. They are related but not the same thing.
First about New York City.
Yes, the population was already rising before the subway opened in 1904. Nobody denies that. But the scale and spatial structure of the population changed because of transport infrastructure.
Look at what happened:
> Before the subway, most people had to live within walking distance of jobs in Lower Manhattan. That is why tenements were insanely overcrowded in the 19th century.
> When the New York City Subway started expanding, people could live much farther away and still commute to work.
> That allowed large parts of Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx to urbanize rapidly.
So the effect of the subway was not “increase density everywhere.” It redistributed and enabled expansion of the population across the metro area.
Now about the “basic port and dirt roads”
Ports are not trivial infrastructure in history. The ports of London, New York City, and Mumbai were the reason those places became major cities in the first place. Ports create trade concentration, jobs, shipping logistics, warehouses, and financial services. Population follows economic activity.
Without that enabling infrastructure, cities rarely scale.
Now the broader logic of urban development usually looks like this:
>A location gains economic infrastructure first. Examples include ports, rail hubs, canals, or industrial zones.
>Businesses cluster because transportation and logistics costs drop.
>jobs increase.
>Population grows to supply labor.
Later stages then bring quality-of-life infrastructure such as sewer systems, transit networks, zoning, and sanitation.
The sanitation crises In London, the massive sewer system designed came after the city had already become huge and polluted. That was a response to scale, not the original cause of urbanization.
Its not deep yr
>Early infrastructure enables growth.
>Later infrastructure upgrades manage the consequences of that growth.
Your example about subways is a good one, but it supports the point that infrastructure changes how cities grow, not that cities grow completely independently of it
C23hwv
No.506268
>>506248
You don't need fucking regulation to make people rich. You need to build the stuff needed to let people get rich on their own.
Cities where human capital is concreted is the literally the biggest engine of it.
There is a reason the biggest manufacturing states in India, Tamil Nadu and Gujarat, are among the most urbanized and the poorest Bihar is the least.
C23hwv
No.506273
>>506258
Correct and you want to increase the pool of middle class from dehati to get to the point where their demands can't be ignored.
mOYuSq
No.506274
>>506258
Pajeet middle class if wanted, could've protested for it long ago. But they dont. They accept what it is. And live. 4 din ka online (auto-excised)rona se zyada kuch nhi karte. Pajeet middle class is not that up needy of the life quality either
C23hwv
No.506277
>>506258
>Middle class doesn't want gibs
Middle class wants security. Their gibs is less about the basic needs, but the safety net of help when they can't support themselves - retirement and health in case where they can't work etc.
mOYuSq
No.506280
>>506268
>You need to build the stuff needed to let people get rich on their own
One of those stuff to build is regulations sir. Look at the absolute state of real estate prices. A barely livable house in tier 2 costs the same as an apartment in fucking new york
C23hwv
No.506286
>>506280
Regulation is why houses prices are absurd. This shit is all gamed.
mOYuSq
No.506293
>>506281
And they still don't protest for basic ammenties in their area against their local municipalities and wards
mOYuSq
No.506295
>>506286
>Regulation is why houses prices are absurd. This shit is all gamed.
Mai bhai ab kya kahu. Chhod. Ek din khud samajh jaoge
C23hwv
No.506316
>>506295
I know people in the buisness you know nothing if you think the people making the regulations aren't influenced by big builders.
492rCL
No.506338
>>506316
Ha bhai. Unn backchodi ke liye hi above regulation hoti hai. Most countries feal with this by keeping an affordable and strict wage enforcement. Which of course, in india....
492rCL
No.506344
Most real estate is expensive because of hoarding and poor transport.
C23hwv
No.506361
>>506316
>affordable and strict wage enforcement
How commie brained can you fags get? It's basically supply and demand that guided property until boomers decided to turn housing into an asset stock with prices always increasing.
FkR/nW
No.506383
>>506138
Cope yaar subsaharan Africa doesn't kang over Vishwaguru nor does it have our industries and yet our GDP per capita was literally on par with them until recently
C23hwv
No.506408
>>506383
Cope over what? You're retarded argument got destroyed by your own admission and now you're trying to change topic.
Kill yourself you worthless piece of shit.
FkR/nW
No.506424
C23hwv
No.506433
>>506424
Keep changing goal posts, you subhuman.
