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>>139818

imagine having 50% cycle ownership but lacking cycle infra cuz car centric baboons can't be bothered from stepping out of their cars on to the roads which were turned into shithole due to their own nightmarish actions.

>>139822

Since when our policies became oriented towards how much tax a group of people is paying?

Should we stop any help to farmers, ladlis etc. etc. then?

>>139827

Having cycle infra, walkable infra is not bad for productivity. In fact lesser dependency on the fossil fuel guzzling vehicles like car etc. will only help us by saving our forex.

>give everything to corpos

Corpos are soulless bunch, they can help in certain situation but when it comes to public well being you gotta keep them on the leash.

>>139851

ambani is probably the worst.

jio spent almost half a billion on producing slop tv shows, even more on the hotstar acquisition. then they partnered with the chinese group shien , etc. etc.

Tatas only goto is doing screwdrivery, fuckers can't even build a functional engine. Failed to absorb the ToT from their own acquisition from jaguar. Let's not talk about the shitshow that was TCS despite having such talent pool and resources failed to realize single good production.

half decent is mahindra atleast they are investing a lot in R&D.

I like adani because he acts like efficient arm of GOI, he has his fair share of issues. Only person who is involved in developing extensive projects like That deep water sea port etc. etc. dharavi re-development. Tata and Reliance are too risk-averse to touch such issues.

>>139852

There's huge leash in india for startups or those who want to start.

There's not enough leash for groups like Tata, Reliance.

You can't have another Tata or reliance without having complete political capital - like in case of Adani.

Look at how hard tech founders are struggling to get a single resource. How babus fuck everyone over, startups, regulations etc.

Reliance has spent more resources hiring retired IAS afsars than actual R&D, they do this as a secondary bribe thing.

And no i am not anti road infra, india needs a lot of expressways, trains etc.

But within cities, wide roads are bad, flyovers are bad completely. Wide roads within cities without trees or culling trees increase the overall temparature.

Safer public services, AC, with greenary, cycle track and walkable infra does more wonders to the people. Public services like metro, metro lite/trams should be norm instead of whatever car centric retardation people push.

Just in few percentage of our car ownership cities rae filled with traffic jams etc. imagine it reahcing even 25%.

Car lobby is group of termites who need to be stopped. They are helped by the oil lobby.

>>139898

>magine going through the hassle of pajeet public transport.

RRTS, Delhi Metro, Soon HSR, etc. moggg hard.

>>139876

yaaar ladlis ke liye we will initiate another set of ladli services yaar a

>>139910

>delhi metro sucks

man it's overrrrrrr

>>139918

See to have good experience in car you need to push public infra.

More people with good public infra will use public services. That would remove congestion from the roads and make overall experience of everyone better.

Public infra doesn't mean ban cars. Just that it should be good service, even safety of every gorup. In fact the local level law enforcement is must.

>>139871

>Also, bastardjeets used to try to run me over or kick me while I used to cycle.

broootal once i had such experience, it was some neta's scorpio or some shit tried to run me over.

I even have video of it i think.

>>139931

>Daily reminder that it took less time for japs to develop, produce and open their first HDR for public than it did for pajeets to bring that shit up 60 years later to that.

Answer me, what was the biggest reason for delay of HSR? If you answer it correctly only then i will entertain rest of your retardation.

>heres not even enough current fast or even on time scheduled trains for public

Anyone who knows A of HSR knows that HSR will be operated separately different from the Indian railway network. I doubt you can even differentiate b/w standard gauge or board gauge.

entire post is filled with retarded ignorant content.

>>139937

desu

>>139952

dumb reply.

>richfag worldview

Better public services serve common people and rich alike. It's not a 'rich' thing to demand better buses, metros, greenary for indians, etc. rather than complete shithole.

I asked you questions because i just wanted you to reflect on what you were saying is it just an emotional rant or something backed by reality - it is mostly emotional rant btw.

You want worldclass infra but seethe at anyone who is attempting to make one, you disrupt every attempt to change and then whine why things are shithole.

>>139985

>hates public services because costly

>shills for car centric infra

You are wrong about vande bharat, hsr too. Every time you reply you include so much emotional garbage that it's probably not fruitful to even bother answering.

But i will answer one by one.

>>139931

>And what before entry and exit of metro?

You are just whining without even making sense here btw. You want to criticize metros but fail to realize that the criticism is not for metro it's about issues related to last mile connectivity.

Solution for that is not to curtail metro rather increase metro network, metro lite. Then for last mile you can have cycle infra, walkable infra with green cover etc. That's the ideal solution. To ensure that metro or services like BRTs are connectivity every important section of the city leaving behind last chunk which can be walked or cycled using those readily available loaned bikes - in fact these were attempted at the smart city project too.

These are much better solution that traffic jam turning 1hr journey into 4 hours. Pollution, entire issue due to that, also healthier.

The fact that you are so myopic that you can't see what is causing the issue and what is actually the issue and what is the future like is the reason why india is like this. People like you who seethe at solutions then cry about the bad state without understanding the relation.

The term '1000km for last mile itself' shows how clueless you are.

Solution is more public infra not less of it. Reminder once again that our cities are failing with 7% or lesser car ownership, it will only get worse unless we find alternative.

And no, car owners are the rich ones. Most people use public services, trains, etc. that's why focus should be to improve them. Answer 1 completes. here.

>>139931

>Daily reminder that it took less time for japs to develop, produce and open their first HDR for public than it did for pajeets to bring that shit up 60 years later to that.

You don't even know what to seethe at this is how big of a retard you are btw. In fact japanese railway literally went bankrupt. There's lots of history to it.

In fact, i will not get into entire shinkansen development and stuff but if you are slightly even slightly learned you would know that we are starting similar path but with shorter duration. Most of the railway revamp began after 2014. Electrification was the primary agenda, we are now almost 99.99% fully electric, there was DFC - EDFC and WDFC work and then there was National infra pipeline.

In b/w started the process of vande bharat - it has various versions starting with the earliest brave attempt by ICF chennai under shudhanshu mani.

>**vande bharat seater** - full AC - 2 prototypes

>2 years spent then we saw flood gates open and we manufactured more than 75 trainsets in next 3 years after 2years of delay. That is 4times more than whatever equivalent shatabdis were manufactured in 20 years.

>I have traveled in VBs and the services are so kino.

VB bought indian community which loved railway it further pushed and actually is the major reason why it caused cascading effect leading to track upgradation, track speed increase work, track fencing etc. etc.

It could go for 160kmph to 180kmph (top speed).

This is what second order effect is and let's not look into how we started developing know how to into HSR trainsets within India from likes of Medha to BHEL, to BEML, etc. etc.

>then came **Vande bharat sleeper** - BEML is making 12 trainsets full AC trials are going on

There are 400 vande bharat sleeper on order, they look so kino that they will completely change the face of the railway. I think 200 are meant to be from stainless steel and 200 will be aluminum for which alstom won the tender then it was cancelled but production for 200 is ongoing. Fully ac btw.

It didn't stop at that, people who seethe at price of vande bharat forget that all the good things of vande bharat started dripping into the variants which is used by majority - which means vande bharat sadharan, aka Amrit Bharat trainsets - these were sleeper, general non - AC trainsets. So what is happening is that we are seeing proper standardization in entire railway trainsets. almost 50 are planned for this FY

But it didn't stop until then, we got the best thing out of it all which was Namo Bharat rapid Rail - this is the great one. Unreserved, fully ac, connecting areas from 100km to 200km to sometimes even 300km. At literally price of less than 120rs or maybe 180 or so you can travel 100km in completely AC. It is literally operating in Gujarat and Bihar, imagine cheap AC travel for thousands of people over short distance. It is only possible because long back in 2018 few guys in ICF chennai dared to do something which most baboons won't let them.

Opposition and libshits seethe at this and vande bharat. Why don't aspirational class of India doesn't deserve good thing? If we are paying taxes why is it that we should suffer? And it's not that the good things eventually made things great for the lowest group of users too.

Libshits love poverty porn and want emotional drama because victimhood pays for their activism but that is not the solution. Solution is this more public infra, more infra in general.

Vande bharat story doesn't stop at there.

Eventually most trainsets will be operated at the speed of around 220kmph series of shinkansen trainsets operated at this speed still do in many regions. But that is only possible that the aspirational middle class is given a chance to support these infra.

And next thing cherry on top is that BEML is making a 280kmph high speed vande bharat trainsets - will be out in 2027 or 2026 late most likely we will see designs etc. floating by this year or in few months already. Eventually this will result in indigenous vande bharat with aluminum coaches and tilting tech and this is what iterative development is and this is beautiful.

Because these dreams of today will make 220kmph a normal speed for most indians in coming decades. Broad gauge will have this and standard gauge trainsets will be complete HSR going 300kmph.

This is what vande bharat is.

And reason for the delay of HSR? It was land acquisition svbhumans and most important libshits government in mhv (inb4 he is not libshit - okay whatever).

Actual work began at 2021 properly, for 500km, covering distance through tunnels, under the sea and our first time HSR 6 or 8 years to be fully functional is alright. Next set of tracks will expand further since we will have trainsets, know how to better than other. Major chunk of delay was due to land acquisition our rate of infra development was pretty good in fact.

Those who don't know should check out the state of California HSR.

Retards who whine about 'african tier' poverty should be gulag'd. Imagine using this benchmark, if this is the excuse then we should not build anything.

And 'delay' lmao...

Railway is not going to operate it, there's separate JV which is NHSRCL which is going to operate it. Our metro run mostly flawlessely, rrts system for the same. Only retards would say not have these because they can't play poverty pron.

You can't support car infra while bitching about poverty porn.

>>139983

>Shilling vande bharats and hsr in every public transport thread. Knowing well nobody can afford it.

Reminder once again that most VBs run fully and provide profit for railway. This is the worst excuse you are bringing.

At one side retards say that we don't have enough infra while other side they say that people are poor hence they can't afford. Anyway i btfo'd your retarded points about vande bharat only for rich in previous reply about how good things from vande bharat gave way to better services to the lower class and even poorer groups.

There's a feasibility study which is done for every route which also take in account of the demand etc. so entire issue of 'affordability' is moot. The success of vande bharat is in the fact that we are producing 200 of these right now, produced 75+ of these already which are running throughout india being love by millions.

it transformed entire indian railway - the extent of which you are completely clueless about. And most importantly, recently the amrit bharat railway station redevelopment project in which almost 100 stations or so were redeveloped is thanks to this.

Another point is the future demand of these. You can't build infra just in one second, you need to account for future growth work for that starts now.

>>140012

No you are completely retard who doesn't even know what to be angry about. That's why i said reflect instead of showcasing your low iq sadakhaggu retardation.

>>140037

You have worst understanding of infrastructure development than a literal child.

>>What would take longer, vande bharat to become standard and affordable for 20% of people than to cars being affordable for 20% of people and improvement of roads.

There are more people who can't afford cars can afford vande bharat, and they absolutely love it.

Vande bharat even today is literally operational, serving more people - infra development doesn't automatically happen. What kinda of retarded argument you are coming with dumbo.

I literally explained you why your ideas are so blaady retarded. I explained you why you are wrong.

It's not 40 years of suffering rather 40 years of continuous improvements vs. a short term haphazhard work which will destroy the country in next 100 years.

>>140041

>Remind me why i should give a fuck about something which was not in my control

Doesn't matter if it's not in your control, this is a discussion thread where we are discussing about lots of event which are not under control but happening and some of these are good things about which you are seething cuz you are clueless.

You can always not comment about things which are not directly under your control.