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Can someone explain me the 5000 years oppression of chamars
o5HxYh
No.135140
Is the 5000 year old oppression story of Dalits is real or is it cooked up by low iq libtards ?
>5000 saal se paani nahi peene diya
Also one other cope of theirs is that Brahmins use to fuck their wives and daughter before sending them home to be remarried again to chamars .
Is there any evidence of that .
8ShyAH
No.135141
>>135140(OP)
why do dalits believe in a self-defeatist narrartive ?
I mean they are ready to accept that their ancestors were utter losers.
Nyp5uR
No.135144
>>135140(OP)
Well considering a lot of lower caste Dalits (low stats wise, but high number wise) do have Y dna, it can mean one of two things.
>Brahman or Kshatriya did indeed breed their wives while they sat on the side like cucks.
>Or we have use brain cells and understand, one of their ancestors likely killed a child or raped someone he was not supposed to. Was stripped of his titles and so.
Everyone is a victim to confirmation bias, so am i. Still, tell me who the fuck in right mind wants to fuck a Dalit wife yaar, specially in those ages when make up was not a thing either.
Moonniwasi are just inferior version of negros. They kang on shit they have not done, fucking 5000 years of oppression, by people who were not even near them at that time period.
E0WY0y
No.135145
Retard thread
Nyp5uR
No.135150
8ShyAH
No.135155
>>135150
I refuse to believe that the ancestors of all dalits were utter losers.
I read an interesting blog by Ajit Vadyakil about Mahars (caste of Ambedkar) of Maharashtra in this regard.
Nyp5uR
No.135161
>>135155
I don't deny that a societal group that calls itself under "Dalit" label were all losers.
>On that note, is anyone aware of Mahars actually were Kshatriya? I doubt it since the Maharashtra claim to be Pandu lineage. But that won't make sense because then their line would be traceable to exact one of five Pandavas.
What I am saying is, Dalit is a rather large and loose classification. You can get even Dwija people in them. Dalit, Avarnia, Ambedkarites are used all interchangeably but they are not the same word.
If we look at what the native tribals were doing without the influence of Dwija people, it will be boiling down to three things.
>Inbreeding
>Zoophillia
>Flinging shit at each other
I am not saying this for the sake of meme. You take a civilisation, such as tribals who have never been on contact with humanity. Suddenly they learn about fascinating things you have. They claim a right to those things to.
Why are you obligated to share those? The victimisation they have built, is their own mistakes. If they claim that upper caste were fucking their wives, so he it, we will call them all cucks. If they all believe they were oppressed for 5000 years, no amount of logic will convince them other wise.
Nyp5uR
No.135165
>>135155
I would add that Maharashtra initially didn't come in "Ati Shudras" even if they were Shudra status. Cows when they were dead, would often not be touched by upper caste, fearing death and curse. Many chose to bury them, but many did not.
Mahar, would consume the flesh of already dead cow.
>Dead cow, they didn't kill the cows
>The cows were already dead
This is a practice to this day in some places and regions, not limited to mahars. I have seen it in Bihar as well. This was a result of famine in some regions, but in some regions it was solely natural order of things. It was wrong on part of other castes to belittle a Varna for doing their intended job.
8ShyAH
No.135167
>>135161
Dravidian seperatists tread on a similar rope.
1IbJ4Z
No.135170
>>135140(OP)
Why are you posting the same question again and again. You posted the exact same post weeks ago with same picrel.
8ShyAH
No.135174
>>135165
>It was wrong on part of other castes to belittle a Varna for doing their intended job
only indecent people commit such disgraceful acts. Most normies were/are indecent. But I don't understand why a learned person like Adi Shankaracharya behaved in this manner ?
o5HxYh
No.135183
>>135170
I didn't don't cope
1IbJ4Z
No.135187
>>135183
But you for sure are reposting it pajeet.
E0WY0y
No.135203
>>135150
Still more retarded than literal dalit oppression denier.
>literally nothing happened bro its all fake bro just ignore literally every recorded history bro
QYDNNj
No.135204
>>135140(OP)
Firstly, India's pretty fucking diverse, like you wouldn't expect such a large country with 27 major languages, ethnic clashes, etc etc to be united. Here's my theory as to why:
Humans are Tribalistic, We are tied (by birth or not) to certain "Tribes", Which are fictional constructs. Some tribes take precedence over others. Some people are X first, Y second. This means that a person fitting in both X and Y will help a person X or do something benefiting the X tribe before doing something benefiting the Y tribe.
Castes have (and still are, for the most part), A persons primary tribe, before their language, state, or race. 2 brahmins one from the North and another from the South will feel a muchh stronger bond that a brahmin from north and a low caste from north who speak the same language.
As a result of this, There is no real movement for seccession of states on the basis of language. As most people identify with their caste stronger that their language. Infact a lot of seccesionistic movements in India are heavily anti-caste.
Indian subcontinent was very deeply ingrained in communitarism and religion. Caste system strengthened it. People fail to see the way society was structured back then wasn't the same now. Death, diseases,wars were rampant. Being closer to your tribe/village/caste served as a great way to prevent yourself from the harshness. People who worked with cremation/dead bodies were separated from the main village in almost all civilisations, not because of muh racism/casteism but because the chances of catching disease through those people are tenfold. Caste system is another reason why our scriptures remained uncorrupted. Our society was very much geared towards a spiritual/communalistic way of living rather than the shitty individualistic western thought that is being propagated now. If caste system was as bad as they claim now, we would not have the writers of the texts like Mundaka Upanishad or the Shakyamuni running around claiming "Buddhahood". The whole problem stems from looking at the past through a modern lens.
1IbJ4Z
No.135219
>>135204
>brahmins one from the North and another from the South will feel a muchh stronger bond that a brahmin from north and a low caste from north who speak the same language.
I disagree. Its like saying a white monarch will feel closer to some african king than the poor whites or british officers during colonial period will feel closer to indian kings than poor british janitors. You are comparing apples and oranges. Things are more nuanced. I can feel distant from both a low class person of my race and a similar socioeconomic status person of different race.
o5HxYh
No.135222
>>135219
He isn't wrong and also south and north aren't a different race
QYDNNj
No.135226
>>135219
>>135219
culturally speaking that is, Brahmins across india have more or less similar cultures, of course sect differences exist but core identity is same, also I think your examples are wrong, their are much more dividing factors between a monarch from Britain and one from africa, a better example of this was inter monarch marriages were usually more common in upper classes than inter class marriages in Europe and also India..
>. I can feel distant from both a low class person of my race and a similar socioeconomic status person of different race.
You can but there are many other factors involved in this
Nyp5uR
No.135228
>>135150
>Not as retarded as Bhimrao Chamar.
Muh 5000 years of cuckhold, lmao.
>>135167
>Dravidian seperatists tread on a similar rope.
Half of Dravidian that believe in seperatism themself never contributed to shit. The time by which Dravida region was known as Dravida, alongside Gauda, Varna was well established.
Fucking look at the state of south, it's a shit hole. A literal fucking shit hole. Hydrabad casually grooming their daughters and they jerk their sissy dicks to it. This is why telugu people are based as fuck, they don't consider themself a seperate nation just for the sake of it.
Dravidan seperatist also won't bother checking their fucking genotype. If entire anti Aryan and Aryan Invasion narrative has any truth to it, it doesn't matter how much Steppe and Iranian you have. Even a small drop other than pure AASI and you should fucking leave. They are simply hypocrites and retarded, and I don't take retards seriously.
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BrFE1l
No.135229
>>135140(OP)
>Also one other cope of theirs is that Brahmins use to fuck their wives and daughter before sending them home to be remarried again to chamars .
No idea about Brahmins but my grandfather's nephews used to rape harijan/dalit women and if they had fair skinned kids, their husbands used to say that it must be from such and such incident.
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BrFE1l
No.135230
Nyp5uR
No.135231
>>135219
>I disagree. Its like saying a white monarch will feel closer to some african king than the poor whites or british officers during colonial period will feel closer to indian kings than poor british janitors.
Bullshit, I have more on common with Dravidan Brahman, compared to North Western jaats just on principle simply by the fact we share same blood, give or take.
Culture and religious duties as far as they go, I have more on common with Dravidan Brahmans. Your inherent mistake was believing Gauda and Dravida are equivalent of Cumskin and Negros, when both are inferior and completely unrelated to each other. False parallel.
>You are comparing apples and oranges.
No, you are.
>Things are more nuanced. I can feel distant from both a low class person of my race and a similar socioeconomic status person of different race.
That's a you issue anon, not an us issue.
Nyp5uR
No.135233
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BrFE1l
No.135237
>>135231
>apples and oranges
More like oranges, tangerines and lemons.
Your claim is that they are not as different as apples and oranges, rather all are oranges of different types, which is also not entirely true.
wUra3e
No.135239
>>135140(OP)
Both Aryan kanging and delete theories were planted and weaponised by roman catholic christcucks. And so was estrogen infused generalised population through gandhi. You must ask yourself what is greater 1) the conflicts planted by christcucks in the now known third world countries or the spread in mary's legs in 1 BC(Before cuckoldery). Cumskin Moots do it shamelessly uk imports people to do it.Abbos have none the less hailed victorious.
In pajeetland context what is funny however that the christcucks have convinced the delete factories that the deities like Shankar(nudist, forest dweller) lingesh, Krishna which means Black and grotesque lot of deities were actually made by high iq brahkikes. Kek. The ones that managed to rule successfully for 8-5 millenias depending on which church pays money. And still do so. See picrel.
I've seen enough sources on why Japs are not native to Japan. Africans are not native to Africa.
All to plant seeds of distrust in what ever is between them and money. They should just import third worlders and hand over their thotters and wives to them. And Jack off to them
Nyp5uR
No.135242
>>135239
>North Indians are Upper Caste
>Upper caste are Aryans
>Aryans are white
>White are invaders
>Invaders came from Europe
>Proceeds to accept the faith of European white cumskins who get on their knees to deep throat a dead jew's cock.
How the fuck did south become so retarded? I used to think that was entire south but it's not. Upper caste Brahmans in south have also dealt with ton of bullshit due to this radicalisation.
Nyp5uR
No.135243
>>135241
Skill Issue
Nyp5uR
No.135245
>>135239
>I've seen enough sources on why Japs are not native to Japan.
Technically they all are a little Ainu, so they all are a little native. The Jomon and Yamaro did assimilate with them, despite oppression. They are still native to the land now.
>Africans are not native to Africa.
Depends which part of Africa, some of them are. In truth no one is native to any place of you think about it. The lines themself are arbitrary and so retarded.
>All to plant seeds of distrust in what ever is between them and money. They should just import third worlders and hand over their thotters and wives to them. And Jack off to them.
I support this, every dalit and Dravidan seperatist should unironically ask to marry the white Cumskin whores they glaze so much. They will either get a reality check, or their genetics will diversify and our problem will become a problem for cumskins, as it has been for the past decade.
Nyp5uR
No.135250
>>135174
Could you care to elaborate further on the way Adi Shankaracharya behaved? Was their an act that he did which would be despised by modern standards?
rEI2fx
No.135253
>>135226
>Brahmins across india have more or less similar cultures.
Retarded take. Its like saying a muslim cleric or imam from arabia has more or less the same culture as a pajeet or nigher muslim imam. They all recite in arabic, dress similar and follow same religious rules. Doesnt mean they have same culture just because they have common religion.
>inter monarch marriages were usually more common in upper classes than inter class marriages in Europe and also India.
Yes but there were limits. In europe marriages happened between monarchs of neighbouring european countries who were culturally similar. Its not like they were marrying brown, nigher or turkic monarchs. Mongols for example took concubines from other races but all mongol empresses were ethnic mongol women of nobility. In india too maratha rulers had marathi women as chief consorts or queens. Rajputs took wives only from other states within rajputana(rajasthan). Even mughals who took rajput women preferred persian and turkic women of nobility as chief empresses because they held persian blood in higher regard. Its stupid to think that royalty were above ethnic preference.
1muyKb
No.135254
>>135144
>Well considering a lot of lower caste Dalits (low stats wise, but high number wise) do have Y dna, it can mean one of two things.
Third that possibility of autochthonous origin of R1a in India, ref paper Sahoo et al. Sharma et. al (2009). It is know that highest level of density/diversity among the eastern india region and including tribals - based on paper almost 10,000 to 15,000 year old.
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BrFE1l
No.135255
>>135245
>Yamaro
Yamato
And no
It's Jōmon and Yayoi.
Yamato = Mainstream Japanese people (the descendants of Jōmon and Yayoi people, but not the Ainu, Okinawans etc)
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BrFE1l
No.135258
>>135254
I think most of it are copes.
Because I actually have relatives whose recent ancestors did use to rape dalit women. My great grandfather used to not like them doing that but there was nothing that could be done against it.
And Phoolan Devi story does have some credibility. (Fuck that castist bitch though. She deserved that bullet) Her bandits used to camp in my great grandfather's grove. When he learnt this, he had the entire grove chopped down because he didn't want "dakue" to rest there.
rEI2fx
No.135259
>>135231
>Bullshit, I have more on common with Dravidan Brahman, compared to North Western jaats just on principle simply by the fact we share same blood,
Haha. Same blood? You are genetically closer to low castes in your home state than some brahmin down south. The local variant of AASI, steppe and IranN that you and a chamar from your homeplace are carrying is identical only the ratios are different. OTOH the local iranN and AASI strain that a southie brahmin is carrying is different from yours. Remember that aasi steppe and iranN are high end splits. There are various regional strains within it.
QYDNNj
No.135260
>>135253
>Retarded take. Its like saying a muslim cleric or imam from arabia has more or less the same culture as a pajeet or nigher muslim imam. They all recite in arabic, dress similar and follow same religious rules. Doesnt mean they have same culture just because they have common religion..
Your example is not even remotely close to the one I mentioned
rEI2fx
No.135263
>>135229
Which place? Too brutal. Casteism exists here as well but never heard of such brutal incidents.
rEI2fx
No.135268
>>135222
>south and north aren't a different race.
Yes they both are of caucasoid race but so are arabs and europeans. It doesnt mean much. Nort and south are very different linguistically, culturally and ethnically with hinduism being the common factor.
1muyKb
No.135271
>>135258
Fair nuff, that paper about the density is not really cope but the evolution and mixing up of various groups in india is interesting story.
It's not as simple as other anon tried to reduce things to. Anyway i am too distracted form the coherent reply so nothing at my end sirs.
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BrFE1l
No.135275
>>135263
>Which place?
Western UP
A small town/village.
These incidents must have been 40 to 50 years ago.
My family even had slaves. Kids used to be sold by their parents for some silver coins. In return we promised to get the girls married with dowry once they come of age, and to give some job to the boys.
The sold girls were sent of as servants, as a part of dowry when girls of our family got married.
And the sold boys remained in the household. It was then the bride's responsibility to make sure the girls don't get exploited and have the dowry of a few silver coins so they can get married.
Then they used to leave us if all went well.
There was a lady for whom it didn't go well. Her husband left her because she couldn't give him a baby so she used to make do with manual work and donated most of her earnings to the temple.
She died at 100+ years of age around 2002.
So yeah, not exactly full fledged slavery but it was more or less slavery system.
QYDNNj
No.135286
>>135253
>retarded take. its like saying a muslim cleric or imam from arabia has more or less the same culture as a pajeet or nigher muslim imam. they all recite in arabic, dress similar and follow same religious rules. doesnt mean they have same culture just because they have common religion.
first of all the comparison with islam is wrong. islam by definition is a universalist religion with a singular prophet, centralized scripture , and relatively standardized rituals the cultural variation among its followers is wide because islam’s structure allows it. an imam in nigeria or india may follow islam, but the quran isn’t culturally anchored in their land or language. islam supplants local customs.
hinduism by contrast, is ethno civilizational, vedic ritualism, sanskrit, dharma, and caste bound duties are all localized but still interlinked. even a tamil brahmin and a kashmiri brahmin perform the upanayana, recite the gayatri mantra, follow gotra system, and read the same shastras. that is a way deeper cultural overlap than just reciting arabic.
a nigerian imam might not understand arabic at all beyond what he memorizes, opposite to brahmins across india used sanskrit as a scholarly lingua franca, enabling shared intellectual and philosophical discourse. pan indian commentarial traditions (adi shankara's works) were written and interpreted across regions by brahmins..
rEI2fx
No.135289
>>135275
Thats a reasonable arrangement as both parties are benefitted but the rape part is really fucked up. What happened to rape babies? Did the husbands raise them?
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BrFE1l
No.135293
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BrFE1l
No.135335
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BrFE1l
No.135336
>>135335
Ah, nvm. The second clip.
rEI2fx
No.135348
>>135286
>islam by definition is a universalist religion with a singular prophet, centralized scripture , and relatively standardized rituals the cultural variation among its.
All religions are standardized and prostelyzing to a degree. Some are more than others. Why do all hindus have common reverence for vedas, sanskrit, ramayana, mahabharat, puranas? Why do certain chief dieties like shiva, ram, krishna, ganesha seem to be central to hinduism in all parts of india? Think about it. How do you think hinduism and its sects spread all across india and even southeast asia if hinduism was insular?
>even a tamil brahmin and a kashmiri brahmin perform the upanayana, recite the gayatri mantra, follow gotra system, and read the same shastras that is a way deeper cultural overlap than just reciting arabic.
Yes and all muzzie imams/ulema regardless of ethnicity study arabic, islamic history, quran, hadiths, follow the sunnah, pray and dress the same way and promote unity of ummah. They all study Sahih al bukhari. Can recite the verses of hadiths in arabic and translate it as well.
>india used sanskrit as a scholarly lingua franca, enabling shared intellectual and philosophical discourse.
The islamic world used arabic and to a degree persian as the scholarly lingua franca. Islamic world has had been united by loyalty to caliphate in history.
I am not a muzzie but most religions arent as different as you think. Your religion is different aint as special as you think and i say it as a person born in a hindu family.
8ShyAH
No.135357
>>135348
>Why do certain chief dieties like shiva, ram, krishna, ganesha seem to be central to hinduism in all parts of india?
lingayats don't rever vedas neither any god except shiva, similarly Iskcon guys believe that all gods are inferior to Vishnu.
QYDNNj
No.135358
>>135348
> all religions are standardized and proselytizing to a degree some more than others
nah that’s just not it islam is literally built to be universal one prophet one book one god one way to pray. hinduism ain’t that it’s decentralized as hell no pope no caliph no church no central scripture everyone must follow you can be a hindu and not give a damn about vedas or even believe in god, not possible in islam
>why do all hindus revere vedas ramayana puranas etc
because they are civilizational anchors like shared mythology, nit rigid doctorines ramayana in tamil nadu is not the same as in uttar pradesh hell even the gods change jagannath in odisha is not krishna in mathura there is a unity without uniformity, islam doesn’t work like that
>muzzie imams all study arabic hadiths sahih al bukhari etc
yeah because they have to its part of the job islam demands conformity no grey zones ulema literally hand out fatwas if you deviate too far that’s standardization by design in hinduism one guy is doing tantra another’s chanting vedas third is meditating in a cave fourth worships a local god no one is excommunicating anybody
>islamic world used arabic, persian as scholarly lingua franca
but that’s religion driven, arabic is mandatory for prayer quran’s in arabic only, in hinduism sanskrit wasn’t forced it evolved naturally as a tool among brahmins and scholars most hindus never needed it to be religious big difference
>your religion ain’t that special i say this as a hindu
no one said special, just different brahmin culture across india actually has shared threads gotras upanayanas mantras shastras that persisted for centuries compare that to a malay imam and a nigerian imam who don’t share a language food or native rituals just same scriptural base not the same thing
you’re trying too hard to equalize everything its ok to admit hinduism is structured very differently
Nyp5uR
No.135367
>>135253
>Comparing Brahmans who are connected by blood to each other, with an abrahamic faith
We are not calling you retarded, you are, and we simply happen to agree.
>>135254
I actually have not excluded that either, since I am very neutral on this subject, out the matter of "muh 5000 years ka oppression and sochan".
>>135255
All japanese have Ainu in them tho. Their is barely a Japanese person who doesn't have a little bit Ainu blood in him or her. Also lmao i said Yamaro xD
>>135258
I knew a tiwari whose grand uncle would make dalit women ride his cock like western cow girl does on a horse. It was fucking horrible. A lot of people do not approve but every bloodline has its disgrace. When you said "when he found out" I thought you will say he send your relatives to rape her LMAO
rEI2fx
No.135368
>>135357
Those are exceptions and they are still worshipping at least one of the chief gods of the pantheon. Islam also has deviant sects like shia, ahmediyas. Several schools of thought with their differences. The only difference is that islam is intolerant to heretics unlike hinduism.
Nyp5uR
No.135371
>>135259
>Haha. Same blood? You are genetically closer to low castes in your home state than some brahmin down south.
We don't even share same y DNA, lmao.
>The local variant of AASI, steppe and IranN that you and a chamar from your homeplace are carrying is identical only the ratios are different.
Cope, lmao.
>OTOH the local iranN and AASI strain that a southie brahmin is carrying is different from yours. Remember that aasi steppe and iranN are high end splits. There are various regional strains within it.
Still originate in same place. Brahmans still hold same y DNA in the end. Steppe and Iranian kang are retards.
8ShyAH
No.135376
>>135258
>Her bandits used to camp in my great grandfather's grove
she used to visit my maternal great-grandfather in Kanpur after she killed the rajputs.
Btw the Chambal region wasn't her traditional caste territory. To this day its controlled by a different relatively inferior gotra of my caste.
rEI2fx
No.135377
>>135367
>Comparing Brahmans who are connected by blood to each other, with an abrahamic faith.
Lol. Nice fairytales of origin. Muzzies too have Syeds with similar fairytales of descent from prophet Muhammad.
QYDNNj
No.135378
>>135371
there are actual evidences and strong arguments of South indian brahmins originating from the ones who migrated from north during mauryan period or adjacent, but that's for another thread
8ShyAH
No.135381
>>135378
R1a is still dominant in South Indian Brahmins when compared with other castes of south india.
QYDNNj
No.135384
>>135381
my argument is more on the cultural side, though I am sure genetic data might also support it
QYDNNj
No.135397
>>135391
they too were most likely migrants from the north, probably during the post gupta or early medieval period
H4aOG/
No.135398
H4aOG/
No.135401
>>135391
Culturally speaking I doubt their status as an upper caste. I don't even have anything against them, but I don't think lore and culture backs it up.
QYDNNj
No.135404
>>135401
the parshuram one? yeah that seems made up, A migration seems more likely
8ShyAH
No.135405
>>135397
any scriptural evidences ? because other brahmis dislike them.
rEI2fx
No.135407
>>135371
>We don't even share same y DNA, lmao.
Thats not true there are brahmins with other haplogroups. Also y haplogroup is nothing significant. You can be the blackest nigher but have european y haplogroup because your great great × 100 grandma got raped by a european male.
Autosomal dna >>>> some 0.000001% of dna on your small Y chromosome
H4aOG/
No.135411
>>135378
I strongly agree to fact that all real Brahman who come from 7 initial gotra are indeed connected by same Haplogroup, to each other. This goes as far as including those who are different pravara under same gotra.
Retards do not understand that when fairy tail is backed up my scientific evidence it is not a fairy risk anymore. It's the same basis that allowed many of us to be disillusioned with fuckery in north west, where retards who consider them self "purer" and "high steppe" and "less AASI" don't even paternal lineage of Brahman.
This sword swings both ways. Dalits can cope with the fact that their is indeed a link that does connect all Brahmans be it, spiritually, culturally or GENETICALLY. Same way sanskritised larps can cope about world about to find out their ancestors failed their status and proceeded to attack those with same bloodline as them in the high of new found power.
Our ancestors didn't have means to amplify the means to find out lineage, but we do. They did their job by giving us guidelines to maintain our bloodline. We succeeded and the common dna is a testament to it. The inevitable is here, and we can either embrace or keep coping.
I don't give a shit if someone is Dravida or a Gauda Brahman. I consider them my own even if some steppe maxing chamar does not. They all carried same scriptures and principles as me, and many continue to do so.
H4aOG/
No.135413
>>135407
>Thats not true there are brahmins with other haplogroups
Their are Chamars and Dhobis with Chaudhary surname. That doesn't make them chaudhary.
8ShyAH
No.135417
>>135407
>Autosomal dna >>>> some 0.000001% of dna
hinduism is all about patrilineage
autosomal dna is christian concept which ashkenazi jews exploit to establish their own paternal lineages in europe while undermining any paterlkineal connection of christian europeans to their ancestors.
you are bluepilled mate.
rEI2fx
No.135419
>>135413
What about chamars and tribals with r1a then? Ooga booga tribes like chenchus and paswan chamars have high r1a frequency whereas dogra brahmins and kashmiri pandits have quite low r1a frequency. They have higher J haplogroup frequency instead.
olClOM
No.135426
>>135140(OP)
It's the same with Blacks
When Ye said Slavery was a option and they choose it.
Your thinking the same thing. Being oppressed by Upper Caste was a choice.
But you have to consider one thing. Alot of Lower Castes converted to Islam to prevent it so, many people did have a choice and they choose Islam to prevent Casteism.
8ShyAH
No.135431
>>135419
sample
H4aOG/
No.135432
>>135405
I don't Dislike them, I just refute their claim to the Brahmin status. However if we go by scriptures and not bloodline, the story says they originate from 60 fishermen.
This led to the one of the first ever instances of Shudra becoming Brahman, by the word of God himself. However the issue is the said God in the question is Parshurama. The reason for Chit B, being given Dwija status is because Parshuram could not find brahman to perform rites for him.
>Why would Parshurama, who is one of the greatest Brahmans of all time need others to perform rites for him in the first place?
I don't hate Chitpavans, I will state it again. I just do understand why other Brahmans do not wish to inter marry with them. It becomes the same old story of lineage purity.
It is also sort of taken into consideration that perhaps Chitpavan were created so Chandala community Varnasankar (born of Shudra man and a Brahman woman) will be comfortably able to marry Sanskritised Brahman women, and keep the Chandala lineage both somewhat versed in cremation process and form harmony. Still to hate them is pretty stupid.
8ShyAH
No.135436
>>135432
>the story says they originate from 60 fishermen
that story was authored by a konkanastha.
I would appreciate a more neutral source.
rEI2fx
No.135438
>>135417
>hinduism is all about patrilineage.
I am not here to argue retarded religious beliefs. That anon said he is related to southie brahmins by blood more than northie LCs and i just corrected him. If you believe 0.000001% of your dna on your small y chromosome is your basis for common blood then good luck with that. Thats your retarded opinion and i wont waste my time with that.
H4aOG/
No.135447
>>135419
>What about chamars and tribals with r1a then?
Rape.
>Ooga booga tribes like chenchus and paswan chamars have high r1a frequency
Titles can be lost, simple as that. All Brahmans have R1a, but not all R1a are Brahmans. Use your non existent braincells charmhara.
>whereas dogra brahmins and kashmiri pandits have quite low r1a frequency.
Implying Kashmiri Pandits that still are in Kashmir actually are Brahmans with paternal lineage of Brahmans, kek.
>They have higher J haplogroup frequency instead.
Same story. Not every person who sanskritised is a Brahman, it's not that complicated. People claim certain status with no evidence in some cases, in other cases their are tales of how they got sanskritised as part of scriptures.
Exception to he rule doesn't mean Chamars in Gauda region are magically more identical in genetics and culture and practices to Brahmans. Anyone unironically treating small variation within ethnic components as some huge icon that binds people, over Varna is a moron.
8ShyAH
No.135451
>>135438
>That anon said he is related to southie brahmins by blood more than northie LCs and i just corrected him
>by blood
perhaps he meant patrilineage. But still many north indian shudras (ex- jats) share pre-vedic Y Dna with brahmins from all over India. Thats makes him half-wrong.
I won't blame you about your lack of knowledge of religion and politics though.
rEI2fx
No.135453
8ShyAH
No.135457
rEI2fx
No.135459
>>135447
Excuses excuses more excuses. Keep shifting goalposts and deflecting. Wont bother with you and your unfalsifiable and evidenceless claims.
8ShyAH
No.135460
>>135447
>Rape
not al were a product of rape.
Some just splintered from the main branch and lost their traditions until their descendants formed new castes in subsequent generations.
Rors carry the highest steppe load and yet they are considered shudras. Do you think they are rapebabies of brahmins ? Isn't there a possibility that they were brahmins themselves ? or a cousin tribe of BMAC aryans from whom brahmins descended ?
rEI2fx
No.135461
>>135457
Read the sample size in table or go to cited paper.
8ShyAH
No.135464
>>135461
methodology isn't mentioned
and the sample size is too small, so small that there is a great chance that all samples were collected from a single village.
I am neutral about that.
H4aOG/
No.135465
>>135438
>I am not here to argue retarded religious beliefs.
You being incapable of processing provided facts is your failure of intellect, the entire thread is not to be blamed for that.
>That anon said he is related to southie brahmins by blood
I am
>more than northie LCs
Yes
>and i just corrected him.
Coping isn't correction, stop being retarded.
>If you believe 0.000001% of your dna on your small y chromosome is your basis for common blood then good luck with that.
Calling the Y chromosome 0.000001% of DNA isn’t just wrong, it’s both biologically and mathematically illiterate. The Y holds 58 million base pairs out of ~3.2 billion.
That’s about 1.8% of the nuclear genome, and that is without nuclear the remaining autosomes you moron. You’re not just off, you’ve missed by a factor of nearly 2 million. How are Chamars so bad at both math AND biology?
The non-recombining region of the Y makes it the most precise tool for tracking direct male lineage, which is why it's unshaken after five thousand years.
Every fucking major genetic study from Haplogroup R1a’s spread to forensic genealogy uses Y-DNA because it actually works. Your ignorance and inbred comprehension skills, as well as confirmation bias to identify with those who just happened share the same oxygen you wasted, doesn’t disprove centuries of population genetics.
You are trying to use paper thin scientific skepticism to cover simple insecurity. You mock the Y chromosome in this instance because it reminds you of a legacy you don’t have. Men with lineage to speak for itself, use genetics, men don't cope, so keep coping, the data doesn’t care.
>Thats your retarded opinion and i wont waste my time with that.
Your education was a waste of your time, go clean a sewer yaar.
H4aOG/
No.135466
>>135462
I see Brahmans and I see larpers, what I do not see is a contradiction to my statement. Feel free to call out larpers who posed as Brahmans for many years.
8ShyAH
No.135470
>>135466
have u taken a Y-DNA test ?
8ShyAH
No.135472
>>135464
actually that study is more suitable for europe where all people freely mixed with each other.
Indian caste system has different dynamics and demand a different methodology of sampling.
rEI2fx
No.135475
>>135447
>Rape
Yeah according to you 45% of paswan with r1a are rapebabies but brahmins without r1a are sanskritized. Chenchus are isolated tribe with r1a but they are lost brahmins. Entire communities dogra brahmins and kashmiri pandits who have little r1a and more J are somehow not real brahmins. Kek. Ja saste nashe karta reh and keep imagining shit like a schizoid. Go test your own extended family members and see for yourself what haplogroups they are carrying. It should all be r1a right? You arent a sanskritized brahmin right? Kek
H4aOG/
No.135477
>>135459
>Literally backed up my statement by genetics
>Literally standing in statement that Brahmans share same lineage among their Gotra
Why are low caste subhumans like this? South Indians still have Y dna, it stands unchanged. Ethnic differences doesn't change their origins. Autosomal DNA, (22x2) and mitochondrial DNA, and X chromosomes as a whole all undergo the recombination or maternal inheritance.
This would mean trying to find any ties from the maternal line is genetically worthless, unless you strictly wish to trace lineage. The constant genetic shuffling each generation, causes the dominant alleles to mask recessive ones, and segments from various ancestors getting diluted beyond recognition. THUS, autosomes of male Brahmans despite their high AASI would still be close to North counterpart you moron.
The autosomal profiles is literally just blurred composite, with no use beyond a broad ancestry, not only it is shit at directly tracing lineage, but also building any ethnic identity upon, and even if we could do it, it still favours y DNA since the y DNA still remains unchanged. Keep coping and using words you don't understand like "shifting goal post" without understanding what it means.
rEI2fx
No.135478
>>135465
>The Y holds 58 million base pairs out of ~3.2 billion.
Hahaha. Chamar thinks y haplogroup refers to entire y chromosome. Chutiye genetics padh le. Kek
8ShyAH
No.135482
H4aOG/
No.135483
>>135475
>Yeah according to you 45% of paswan with r1a are rapebabies but brahmins without r1a are sanskritized.
Yes, they are.
>Chenchus are isolated tribe with r1a but they are lost brahmins. Entire communities dogra brahmins and kashmiri pandits who have little r1a and more J are somehow not real brahmins.
No, they are not, stop coping. Neither genetics not more supports it, and even if we go by the mythological aspect of their lineage alone then still gotra and lineage aspect doesn't check out with lineage system. You are arguing a non existing point, repeating what is true will not suddenly make it false, stop coping and move on.
>Kek.
Seethe noise.
>Ja saste nashe karta reh and keep imagining shit like a schizoid.
Chamar behaviour.
>Go test your own extended family members and see for yourself what haplogroups they are carrying.
R1a, unlike you.
>It should all be r1a right?
Yes, it is.
>You arent a sanskritized brahmin right? Kek
No, unlike Chamars who larp as us.
QYDNNj
No.135484
QYDNNj
No.135485
>>135411
Yeah its more about culture and lineage than anything, Though I will be honest I do not know much about the Genetics part
rEI2fx
No.135487
>>135482
Haplogroup refers to a specific set of genetic mutations on y chromosome. Its a small fraction of y chromosome.
8ShyAH
No.135488
>>135484
chitpavans replaced other brahmins from government during peshwa rule. Perhaps thats why others dislike them.
8ShyAH
No.135489
>>135487
snp markers determine haplogroup
QYDNNj
No.135491
>>135426
Working for other party is usually mutually beneficial and is not bad imo, but exploitation like other anons mentioned is not ok. And I am not ignorant of the fact that didn't happen, but it is also a reality that certain groups are more vulnerable to such exploitation than others
QYDNNj
No.135492
>>135432
I think that story is madeup to be very honest with you
QYDNNj
No.135493
>>135488
could be, yeah.
rEI2fx
No.135495
>>135483
Nice vro. Congrats on being r1a. I totally believe like a naive kid that you have tested your entire extended family circle to confirm that they all have same y haplogroup. Kek
rEI2fx
No.135496
>>135489
Not all markers.
H4aOG/
No.135497
>>135478
>Never mentioned Haplogroup in statement
>Never equated Haplogroup to Y chromsome
>Too hormonal to read properly anymore atp
>Mistook his lack of literacy in English with my lack of literacy in genetics
>?
Huh? How did retarded Chamars even manage to larp as Brahmans if this was all their level of intellect in the first place? Wut?
H4aOG/
No.135499
>>135495
>Can't cope with being a chamar
>Makes humour to comfort himself
>Kid (lmao)
... Yaar you low bornes subhumans, man.
8ShyAH
No.135500
H4aOG/
No.135501
>>135492
I am not exactly against the story, itself. I just find it to be a duty to Brahman to question the validity of story. Why "would" Parshurama even feel the need to turn them into Brahmans? What if he was just elevating them to a higher rank (highest even) among Shudras? What if they just decided to make best out of it? This could be a very interesting thread on its own tbh.
QYDNNj
No.135502
>>135501
we could yes, However I am not learned enough on it, I will make a thread on /rta/ in future If possible
8ShyAH
No.135503
>>135501
btw chitpavans predominantly carry R1a
QYDNNj
No.135505
can anyone explain to me what R1a is about?
>t. newbie
8ShyAH
No.135507
Xq+TYe
No.135508
>>135503
shitpavans
PjxLSx
No.135509
>>135500
No, let him cope and try again.
>>135502
Would appreciate it Anon, since this tally of gene as well as lord of Varnas have opened a whole new age of possibilities. We might be able to change how religion and caste is perceived by next generation entirely.
>>135503
That's what I noticed as well, which makes the story even more confusing. If we go by the whole northern person theory. Why would someone with R1a lineage would need to build a story about being a Shudra.
That is, unless they all were already descending from the line of Brahman man, as Varnasankar? I think the term is Nishada (which ironically is also a clan of fisherman) which I doubt could be a coincidence.
Xq+TYe
No.135510
>>135475
brahpoos are just too subhuman to do anything
PjxLSx
No.135511
>>135507
Appreciate it Anon.
8ShyAH
No.135512
>>135505
aryan paternal ancestry (means if anybody has R1a DNA then he is connected to the ancient aryans of eurasian steppe geographical region through his father' father's father's ....... paternal line)
rEI2fx
No.135513
>>135500
Thats not how determining haplogroups work. You observe a common specific set of mutations on y chromosome that arose millenia ago and have diverged since then. There are mutations happening every generation.
Xq+TYe
No.135514
QYDNNj
No.135515
>>135512
damn..
8ShyAH
No.135518
>>135513
the mechanism of classification of haplogroups works just the way I suggested above.
I don't want to humiliate you in any manner.
Xq+TYe
No.135519
>>135518
chuttardpradeshi subhuman, how was feces dinner?
8ShyAH
No.135520
>>135515
north indians in general have higher R1a DNA in comparison to south Indians.
Similarly Upper castes have higher R1a DNA in comparison to lower castes in general.
I said "in general" inb4 somebody chimps out
Xq+TYe
No.135521
>>135520
chuttard pradeshis arent northie you shitskin lmfao
QYDNNj
No.135522
>>135520
Interesting anon, does it corelate with religous identity too?
8ShyAH
No.135523
>>135519
naali saaf ho gyi ?
tuu iss thread ko bhi purge karwaaega.
Bhagg jaa nahi toh itni buri buri sunaaunga ki rota rota apne baap ke paas shiqayaat karne jaega.
QYDNNj
No.135524
>>135523
dont give him (You)s
Xq+TYe
No.135525
>>135523
naali to tu saaf karega apni devi ki haggu dgh
rEI2fx
No.135527
PjxLSx
No.135528
>>135512
>>135518
While we are at it, I actually would like to bring up, ossifcation of Varna as well. I really want the religious aspect to set a theoretical bench mark here and use science to verify the claim as true or false.
If we go by Gotra system, the core 7+1 basically means people would be directly originating from the same 7 people people. The question for the Brahman Varna is quite easy, since it is mostly direct lineage. How about the Kshatriya and the Vaishya? Like is someone well versed in Gotra system to clarify that for us?
8ShyAH
No.135529
>>135522
not necessarily within south asia.
Many hindu males were converted to Islam so they still carry original Hindu haplogroups.
The narrative that "Muslims raped Hindu women on a large scale" is HIGHLY exaggerated ,even if we consider far morth-west (Iran, Afghanistan, west-Pakistan)
PjxLSx
No.135531
>>135527
Markers are still over 50% making the entire parallel false. Congrats you doubled down on the fact that you are retarded. Wipe your tears and learn to type properly, you subhuman nitwit.
QYDNNj
No.135532
>>135529
Interesting, any sources where I can learn more about this? Genuinely interested
PjxLSx
No.135534
>>135522
Not "quite", their is some basis to it if some family's claim that "we descend from this man" so the lineage can and will basically prove them wrong if they are lying. But their is more layers to this, it is "relevant" but not a direct parallel in all and every case.
PjxLSx
No.135536
>>135529
This is true. Their is no doubt that rape did happen but it is exaggerated out of proportion. In some very specific context, their is no doubt that very particular armies did commit war crimes (as do all armies actually, not just Muslims) but the people who converted willingly (like cuckmiris, such as family of Allama Faggot Iqbal) would have still kept their Y chromosome and it's vital markers as it is.
QYDNNj
No.135537
>>135534
Interesting anon, thanks for the clarification
PjxLSx
No.135538
>>135537
I try, hope it helped.
ZpGBtI
No.135539
>>135477
>Literally backed up my statement by genetics.
Kek. All you did was yap and invent theories wherever i presented contradictory evidence.
QYDNNj
No.135540
>>135538
Yes it did, but I still think I got to learn more, I am still trying to find more about origins of Indian castes
It would be appreciated if you guys have/can recommend any neutral sources or books on these topics
PjxLSx
No.135541
8ShyAH
No.135542
>>135528
the saptarishi origin is likely a myth. I am not sure though.
What I think (I am unsure) is that Brahmins originated from multiple (more than 7) ancestors from BMAC civilization.
I am quite sure that its impossilble for seven males to start the whole brahminism at the indus region.
There is a very little possibility that these 7 males lived somewhere in central asia (even before andronovo) where they started their lineages which later evolved into brahmins but still thats a far-fetched idea).
There are research papers available about the multiple origins of Jats on internet which suggest a complex history involving migrations and intermingling with various populations in the region. Studies using Y-chromosome haplogroups have shown that Jats possess a diverse range of ancestry lines, indicating multiple migrations and interactions with other ethnic groups.
I don't know if a similar study is ever conducted on exclusively R1a Brahmins because that would be V.E.R.Y politically incorrect for the whole Brahmin community due to the fear of alienation of a lar non r1a Brahmin population.
ZpGBtI
No.135543
>>135531
Oh really retard? Please tell your blood brothers with whom you share a fraction of your y dna this. Kek. Keep calling me names when i likely share more dna with you than your so called 'blood brothers'.
8ShyAH
No.135545
>>135532
start from here
read a wiki pages or watch 2-3 minute youtube videos about the terms used in this video.
this videos sums up the basic things really well
QYDNNj
No.135546
>>135545
I appreciate this, thanks anon.
PjxLSx
No.135549
>>135540
I will have to look it up, though i strongly feel like this could be its own thread. Books that will help us both understand the ossification of Varna as well as the modern castes as we know. I think we could actually divided it into 4 threads for each Varna to reduce the chaos even.
>>135539
>Keks about failing to win a pretty much non existent argument.
>Thinks haplogroups and miosis shuffle is yap and invent theories.
>Thinks cope is contradictory evidence.
Yaar you can just tell this retard is from North West. What is the Chaudhary Chamar Copium is this lmao.
QYDNNj
No.135550
PjxLSx
No.135555
>>135548
Their is an extremely beautifully animated youtube video, that is animated in purple, and black 16-32 bit pixel style. And it explains how genetics and gene shuffle works and how the passage of 10 generations make the gene be completely lose its similarity with its ancestors for a large majority. It's a shame i cannnot find it, but it is very insightful.
QYDNNj
No.135557
>>135555
Please share it if you can ever find it, I will appreciate that
ZpGBtI
No.135559
>>135549
>Yaar you can just tell this retard is from North West. What is the Chaudhary Chamar Copium is this lmao.
Yes i am a UC from northwest. What are you? A gangu brahmin? Have a good time with your blood brothers who just share a fraction of y dna with you but have nothing in common apart from religion. I would rather prioritize my regional and ethnic heritage than some imaginary gotra or myth of origin. I guess we all have our priorities.
8ShyAH
No.135562
>>135557
these videos are good for knowing the current narritive of international scientific consensus
this guy has some good things to tell
also ignore all abhijit chavda and sangam talks and similar hindutva videos on genetics
8ShyAH
No.135564
>>135559
thats just politically motivated take.
Religion and science doesn't care about our emotions.
But you are free to believe whatever you feel.
8ShyAH
No.135565
good night
QYDNNj
No.135566
>>135562
thanks anon, that helps.
QYDNNj
No.135567
>>135565
atul shubhratri
ITdHEC
No.135572
>>135564
>thats just politically motivated take science doesn't care about our emotions.
Same goes for you.
H4aOG/
No.135574
>>135543
>when i likely share more dna with you than your so called 'blood brothers'.
What in the Chaudhary Chamar Cope, MEGA KEK XD
>>135559
>Yes i am a UC from northwest.
>Northwest
>UC
Lmao, Cope, Chaudhary Chamar's Cocksleeve.
>What are you? A gangu brahmin?
Retard really thinks Kanyakubja Brahman is a disrespect. Smartest self proclaimed NW UC, kek.
>I would rather prioritise
You don't HAVE a choice lmfao. Ethnic identity is all you have, and it is same as your Varna status since you are a sanskritised chamar, pipe down and keep coping. Science and Religion both do not give a shit about you, subhuman.
>>135564
This, kek. I know you don't even care about the political aspect of it. But what I said initially was just a true statement. It is all simply those who know their family's have larper and oppressed the lower caste are losing shit. Since they all may lose their status and get raped brutally later by Dalits.
>>135567
Atul Shubhratri, Anons.
ITdHEC
No.135575
>>135371
>Still originate in same place Brahmans still hold same y DNA in the end Steppe and Iranian kang are retards.
Hahaha. And all y haplogroups originate from haplogroup a. You are a retard. Your own line of reasoning is contradictory.
H4aOG/
No.135576
>>135575
Keep coping yaar. Keep telling yourself that you are same as me, or rest of us. Honey singh said Yari Baman Naal pakki jaat ni, and politygram tier retards took it at face value. Atul shubratri, drink water, crying will dehydrate you subhuman.
ITdHEC
No.135578
>>135574
Ok gangu. Since you are a kanyakubja brahmin which is apparently the highest brahmin subcaste in ganguland i get why caste is all what you have and what you prioritize. I could have said a lot of shit about brahmins as a caste but i wont because some of the nicest people i know are brahmins. I am half brahmin myself. All i will say is that you should keep you caste politics nignoggery in ganguland. You low iq casteist gangus are responsible for your own misery. Most people here north of sutlej couldn't care less about your caste nignoggery.
ITdHEC
No.135579
>>135576
Whats with jat chaudhary shit. I aint even a punjabi or haryanvi.
rgG3Zs
No.135586
>>135518
>the mechanism of classification of haplogroups works just the way I suggested above I don't want to humiliate you in any manner.
But we are discussing r1a y haplogroup here specificially. Its just 25000 years old. Its a recent offshoot in phylogenetic tree of y haplogroups evolving from haplogroup a. So you are wrong in thinking all SNPs count here. Its a mere fraction.
H4aOG/
No.135587
>Apparently the highest
Their is no "apparently", it is THE highest as far as prestige goes. We still manage to not kang on ethnic and steppe purity and retarded shit like North Westoids do, since that is never been even remotely relevant like you larpers think.
>I could have said lot of shit
And none of them would be true lmao, cope. The fucking menta gymnastics of these lowlives kek.
>Half Brahmin
FUCKING KEK, Chandala subhumans unironically admitting to being a Chandala subhumans yaar. Varnasankars think its somehow flattering to be genetically inferior and being most retarded guy in your entire one side of male lineage.
>Misery
Holy mother of cope lmao.
>Most people
Are subhumans
>Couldn't care less
Even if they did, they wouldn't have much choice lmao. What would they do if they started caring? Start cleaning sewers? Lmao, go cry somewhere else.
>>135579
You are not even a human yaar, just go out right fucking kill yourself. The amount of this shit the wannabe Bamans will pull, just because Gauda Brahmans respect Dravida Brahmans far more than local Chamars.
YOU don't get to decide who we Brahman choose to find brotherhood or kinship with, subhuman. It is our choice and ours alone. If you were Dravida Brahman, chances are you wouldn't have even managed to disgrace your non existence intellect trying to prove a political point, by trying belittle both religious and scientific pillars.
Cope. When you fail to cope, Seethe. When you can't seethe anymore, actually go fucking kill yourself you NW retard. Go permanently Atul Shubhratri yourself, you fucking disgrace to all Dwija Varna.
rgG3Zs
No.135588
The markers before r1a arose are common with other y haplogroups.
rgG3Zs
No.135592
>>135587
>FUCKING KEK, Chandala subhumans unironically admitting to being a Chandala subhumans yaar Varnasankars think its somehow flattering to be genetically inferior and being most retarded guy in your entire one side of male lineage.
Holy kek. Gangu calling me genetically inferior. Fuck off subhuman gangu. You will always remain an ugly gangu with low iq ugly genetics no matter how much you use your caste as a crutch to feel slightly better than other subhuman gangus.
H4aOG/
No.135606
FswLMd
No.135652
>>135465
Not wrong tho. If you share yhaplogroup with someone autosomally different all that means is that you have a common paternal ancestor in recent or distant past. Assuming that ancestor lived 500 years ago that would be 20 generations ago.
2^20 = around a million ancestors mathematically
But in real world the number of ancestors decrease after a point back in time and we see convergence. Still it would be 1000 ancestors at least. Thats 0.001% of ancestral dna and vanishingly small part of overall dna.
Saying that because y chromosome contains 1% of genes it means you have 1% of genetic similarity with someone of same yhaplo is stupid. A lot of it is common human dna that we share with all humans. Learn to differentiate between ancestral genetic composition and actual dna. We share 99% of dna with chimps.
8ShyAH
No.135671
>>135507
this comment makes a lot of sense
8ShyAH
No.135681
>>135671
this reminds me of J Sai Deepak
8ShyAH
No.135685
>>135559
somebody asked the same question on reddit
FswLMd
No.135697
>>135685
>comparing unrelated groups.
Everything is a cline. Those groups arent unrelated if they belong to same ethnicity and share autosomal ancestry.
FswLMd
No.135698
>>135697
They are far more related by blood than brahmins who just share <1% of their ancestral dna but just happen to carry same yhaplogroup.
8ShyAH
No.135717
>>135707
the bottom comment in that pic addresses our conflict here in this thread.
The thing is, you aren't a Brahmin so for you the definition of closeness and importance of Y-Dna is different as compared to a Brahmin like him >>135574
You clearly give more importance to region over lineage.
Different castes have different cultures thus different conceptions of reality.
I don't blame any of you because its natural.
8SkENk
No.135721
All of this genetics kanging is irrelevant. It is totally meaningless. The only real things that matter are
>height
>looks
>money
>dick size
>testosterone
>conformity
All else is cope.
All castes are mixed with each other in some way or other during their great-great-great ....x50 grandparents time.
The only thing that this shit is useful for is to track migration patterns of people in history and even that will be incomplete unless we dig up a lot of skeletons all throughout europe, central asia, iran and india.
Whats the point of having R1 dna if you look like saideepak, and whats the harm in having H haplogroup if you look like mahesh babu or dulquer salman.
FswLMd
No.135724
>>135709
We dont have historical data for a lot of castes. Doesnt mean they didnt exist back then. Some castes were too ordinary before their rise to prominence. Many castes like artisan castes emerged as trade guilds at different points of time in history. Brahmin genetics enthusiasts may value patrilineage but autosomal ancestry forms the greater percentage of genes. Haplogroups are more like archaeological artefacts. They are a small but permanent mark on your dna that can tell us about historical migrations and connections. Doesnt mean much when it comes to bulk of your ancestry which is defined by common blood or autosomal dna.
8ShyAH
No.135728
>>135724
I do not disagree.
All castes/tribes around the world have different conceptions of reality rooted in their own cultures.
We have european royality where even the females can lead royal succession and we have other group which give more importance to paternal lineages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jews#Y-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews
1vnW2R
No.135741
>>135709
Thread link?
MA61b1
No.135825
>>135237
When you think about it, they all are baskets of apple and oranges. Some have more apples and some have oranges, but then it becomes simply a philosophical debate.
I even mentioned once, if Aryan Invasion, as the Dravidan seperatist believe, is true. Why are they ok south and not leaving it? They too have the ANI in them. Anyone but 100% pure AASI (aka, oranges) should leave. So think about it, am I really wrong? It may be not exactly how I chose to phrase it, but is is exactly wrong either?
