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Anonymous

IN

rMqZYE

No.116543

Taklu pendu boomer pajeet ended up creating an entire web series with his half-his-age employees. Looks, age, height, and skin color don’t matter if you have money. Corporate Reality and it's not even hidden if your wife, sister, daughter works there is 70% chance of being Horification for some Manager TL or any head who can give promotion , money, lifestyle upgrade benefits .

(user was banned for this post - crossposting from twitter)

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116547

>>116543(OP)

an easy way to segregate whores from virgins is to check whether they go to temples regularly (not for clinking pictures) or not. Even if a female visits a downtrodden temple nearby every weekend then the is a virgin.

Anonymous

IN

5RC4gH

No.116559

>>116547

Kek this pajeet fall for the Honda trandi meme. All these randijeetas in OP pics probably go to temples too and unironically consider themselves devi

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116562

>>116547

Nah, I know just wag too many whores who just unironically call themself le "Shakti" at this point kek. You are assuming foids have same level of self awareness that a guy does lol. What you are saying would have been true a decade ago, that is before whores infiltrated religious sects.

>>116543(OP)

Yaar corpo anon, everyone knows this. This is the reason no one wants to marry a corporate whore. It is like playing russian whore roulette, and if you are unlucky, their were like two other men who went through your wife before you did lmao. Unironically seen, a girl in my MNC blow the manager off, back in his place, and got three promotions throughout her job.

Anonymous

IN

DjOWgT

No.116565

Sauce?

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116567

>>116559

Literally this lmao, wait a few years you will see Sunny Leone portraying herself as a Devi in one of the series or show to break "stigma" lmao.

Yaar why are Heendoos like this? Isse accha toh sab Islam me hi convert ho jaye. Atleast their women are not complete whores with exception of few. Yaha toh with exception of few, har koi hi whore hai.

Anonymous

IN

5RC4gH

No.116569

>>116567

More than randis we are suffering from simp epidemic. We need to genocide simps everything will fall in line

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116570

>>116559

>>116562

none of them visits "regularly". Social media larp is another thing but visiting a temple regularly without clicking any photos is a thing of another level that non religious people won't understand.

There are other similar methods to detect real virgin trad-jeetas aswell.

Anonymous

UN

ngZOU7

No.116572

>>116570

>real virgin trad-jeetas aswell.

Anon I ......

Anonymous

IN

5RC4gH

No.116573

>>116570

Just how many pajeetas do you think are visiting temples everyday, let alone a corporate whore, you dumb (by the way I am a nigger)? How is going to temple a viable filter to gauge someones chastity. There are shernis and chads literally going temples to form dates and clicking pictures to post on xitter

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116578

>>116573

>ust how many pajeetas do you think are visiting temples everyday

1/5000

i personally know many such females who do this beacause I live next to a temple in a IT industry area.

>There are shernis and chads literally going temples to form dates and clicking pictures to post on xitter

not regularly

Anonymous

IN

rqHiJE

No.116581

>>116543(OP)

these women have had to uphold the no-fun-only-study sanskari persona for so long in their lives that the moment they get a chance to do some degeneracy, they pounce on it like a cat on a toy.

then when she got married, she thought she would get to do all the fun stuff with her husband. but her husband turns out to be an ugly stoodycel faggot, who can't hold a conversation to save his life. he is repulsive, and she would never even look at him if it wasn't for her biological clock and the "husband's" salary.

the fucking boss is the most dysgenic of subhumans i've ever seen, and yet she fucks him. not because he's hot, but because it's fun. though he is hotter than her husband, in that he has control over her in the workplace and is manly enough to call people out on their bullshit. but he is still too repulsive for any normal woman who has been loved and cherished.

moral of the story: take your woman places, give her fun, attention, and good dick. or she will look for it somewhere else. ofc, none of this matters if you look like the boss in OP's picrel. work on your looks and grooming and attitude. and then do the rest. and never simp. if she ain't fucking you, just fuck someone else. and let her know that you can do better than her. it's all a psychological power game for the first few years, and if you lose here, you lose forever. if you win here, you win forever.

Anonymous

IN

rqHiJE

No.116584

>>116578

>IT industry area

>many such females who do this

reality tera brutal sariya karega

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116586

>>116581

moral of the story: whores gonna be whores

marry a woman from a respectable family and don't disrespect her

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116588

>>116584

mujhe sab ptaa hai ki kya chalta hai idhar. Har hafte ek case hota hai aisa.

Anonymous

IN

DjOWgT

No.116597

>>116586

>respectable family cope

He doesnt know about the story of the daughter of an industrialist who went and fucked majdoors in their makeshift jhuggi on her own dads construction site

Anonymous

IN

DjOWgT

No.116598

OP picrel sauce?

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116602

>>116597

exceptions ko generalize nahi karna chahiye, aur kine kahaa ki industrialists "respectable" hotay hain ?

tu Tier -3 city mein rehta hai kya ?

UN

ZGq1zw

No.116606

>>116559

Kek, this. Extremely religious women regardless of religion have something to repent for.

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116607

R E G U L A R L Y

Anonymous

IN

rqHiJE

No.116609

>>116597

the only true solution is to marry girls with ultra strict fathers, then take her places and make her have fun, build positive memories, make her open up and shiet. maybe take her to clubs and parties but with very strict supervision. don't let her leave your sight and don't let another guy near her. and install a bug on her phone to track her location all the time and regularly check her phone when she's asleep.

>>116602

toh aap hi bata do ji "respectable"

UN

ZGq1zw

No.116612

>>116609

>girls with ultra strict parents

KEK

Anonymous

IN

5RC4gH

No.116617

>>116609

No, the only solution is to kill every pajeeta randi and cucks who defend their degeneracy. Kill all the randijeetas that marry out of caste too. If done on mass scale pajeets have to bring in laws to ban or fine Adultery by these whores and criminalize ICM or dating. Total randijeeta death

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116621

>>116609

dekh bhai tum log pehle toh apne goal clear karo ki tumhe chahiye kya

picrel pe dhyaan do

Anonymous

IN

rqHiJE

No.116624

>>116621

i want a non-degenerate virgin

Father Painbringer

IN

f5b39O

No.116628

>>116624

or just a virgin ?

think again

Anonymous

IN

bTRFNI

No.116633

>>116617

>criminalize ICM

isme caste kaha se aagaya bhadwe? You want to marry a girl in your caste, that is fine. I am going to marry a khatri randi idgaf

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116636

>>116621

this is better

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116637

>>116633

caste ka hi poora khel hota hai

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116640

>>116633

Khatri Teri maa chod denge, dur reh unse saale chamaar

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116645

>>116633

>Khatri

>Randi

Yaar chamar, which one is it?

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116647

>>116645

ye shudar aur chamaar saale Uc good looking ladkiyon ko sexualise krte rehte hain online, kyuki irl toh inko bhaw nahi milta kek

Anonymous

IN

5RC4gH

No.116649

>>116633

ICM iss against Hinduism every pajeet and randijeeta indulging in it will should be turned alive. Especially chamars

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116651

>>116570

Yaar Heendo, you unironically think a Randjeetas is not a random because she visits a temple on a regular basis. You are assuming it is not her way to cope about her shitty whorish past bruh, get a life, stop falling for Honda Sherni meme.

>>116573

>How is going to temple a viable filter to gauge someones chastity.

Yaar their are literally whores being railed in the fucking temples.

>>116578

>i personally know many such females

Yaar, your imaginary whores don't count.

>these women have had to uphold the no-fun-only-study sanskari persona for so long in their lives that the moment they get a chance to do some degeneracy, they pounce on it like a cat on a toy.

Literally this, a woman can't be forced to be pure or clean, a whore is going to be a whore no matter how much you try to remove her from her core nature. Just take the L, abandon the one who has clear sumptions of being a whore after she is 18 in an instant.

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116654

>>116640

khatri sabse zyadaa ICM kar rahe hain. Unhein sirf economic status dikhtaa hai.

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116656

>>116647

Yaar, inki inhi harkato ke chalte fir inko pela jata hai, aur fir har sal 300 candle march nikalte hai ye faltu me. I used to think it was all meme and the rage baits, but unironically there are Bhimtas with a fetish for "upper caste women".

Lmao, Abe isse acha foreigner ya k2a ladkiyo ko hi fas lo. UC wale castiesf ghar aake khud shadi karwayege.

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116657

>>116651

>because she visits a temple on a regular basis

tuu blackpilled hai. Toone abhi acche gharo ki ladkiya nahi dekhi

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116659

>>116654

It's not a Khatri issue, it is a Chandigarh issue. It is about them not caring about caste any more at this point, regardless of them being Khatri or not.

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116660

>>116654

aisa nahi hai, maybe kuchh ka hoga but icm rate is less than 5% for all communities

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116661

>>116659

poore delhi mein yahi haal hai

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116662

>>116656

>Lmao, Abe isse acha foreigner ya k2a ladkiyo ko hi fas lo. UC wale castiesf ghar aake khud shadi karwayege.

Bro I don't hate any community but muslims are even more casteist on these guys, just read about what happened to dalits who went to Pakistan after partition

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116663

>>116660

bhai sabhse zyadaa ICM khatri aur baniye males kar rahe hain iss time.

Khatri kayi baar lower caste se bhi shaadi kar lete hain merely on the basis of economics.

Baniye males zyadaatar UC aur Jain ladkiyon se shaadi kar rahe hain.

UP

yLN8/P

No.116664

>>116543(OP)

This is a very old amateur sex video.

UP

yLN8/P

No.116665

>>116562

>Yeah! That happened.

Anonymous

IN

bTRFNI

No.116666

>>116640

>>116645

>>116649

>ITT: seething, projecting Cucktris

Kek yaar, not everyone that wants to do ICM is a bhangi. I myself am UC, I am just saying it is better for Khatri girls to mix with Brahmins and vice versa. It will atleast stop the men from both castes looking fucking inbred like picrel

Do you chamars not want your lineage to look better?

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116668

>>116666

>I am just saying it is better for Khatri girls to mix with Brahmins and vice versa

yaar chamaar

UP

yLN8/P

No.116670

>>116570

Yrr don't try to teach them. That's why they are on imageboards. These all fags will destroy anyones perception about women.

Anonymous

IN

5RC4gH

No.116671

>>116666

Abey chamar toh apni hi caste ke good looking ladke ya ladki se shaadi karle

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116672

>>116666

>Do you chamars not want your lineage to look better?

lineage aadmi se chalti hai, aurato se nahi.

Agar tum kisi persian, Gori ya UC muslim ko bhi pakad ke usse bacche paida kar dogay toh bhi tumhaara kaam chal jaega.

Doosri religious hindu communities ko barbaad karne se long term mein nuksaan zyadaa hain.

UP

yLN8/P

No.116673

>>116586

Bhacels will disrespect even a good women.

ARYA

FdzccS

No.116674

>>116673

a good woman is a dead woman

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116675

>>116673

haa inhe kiky sex karna hai, sab ke muuh se laar tapak rahi hai idhar

UP

yLN8/P

No.116677

>>116647

Kek this!

UP

yLN8/P

No.116681

>>116674

>>116675

The real truth is that all the fags are spreading misinformation for some (You)s.

Anonymous

IN

nWp7rR

No.116682

>>116657

Idhar ana mandir anon

Anonymous

IN

nWp7rR

No.116685

>>116657

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116687

>>116682

padhna kam aata hai kya ?

>>116607

Anonymous

IN

bTRFNI

No.116691

>>116668

>chamaar

post surname bhangi

>>116671

Why are you so scared of inter-caste marriage?

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116695

"Regularly without failure" ka matlab tum mein se kisi ko nahi ptaa kyunki tum sab mein se kisi ke ghar mein religion seriously follow nahi kiya jaata.

Tum saare political hindu ho jinhe BJP se pehle saare bhagwaano ke naam bhi bahi ptaa thay.

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116697

>>116666

its funny that to prove your point you chose the most AASI looking brahmin

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116700

>>116697

thread derail ho jaega, aisi baat mat kar

UP

yLN8/P

No.116701

>>116691

Inter caste takes you no where in future atleast interfaith marriages spice up the society. Intercaste parents produce kids of no use and they hate themselves. All cope of how muh genetics will get better is false. We all know you're cuck anon of that thread who justified getting dicks of same caste for a woman should be normalised.

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116705

>>116691

>>116672

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116706

>>116657

Mai toh silver pilled hu kek, blackpill is for moron, redpill is for retards, blue pill is for faggots. The only acceptable pills for a mortal life form is the clear pill and white pill. Everything else out here is retarded.

UP

yLN8/P

No.116710

>>116682

>>116685

>Girls nudes getting leaked is faggot. In all cases pajeet boyfriends like us do this. This behaviour is found only in Indian men. Leaking private photos after breakup. Girls send all this because they can't control lust.

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116712

>>116701

woh mein hu

maine "normalization" ki baat nahi ki thi, slippery slope argument dena band kar.

West mein bhi on average females ke 4-5 sexual partners hi hotay hain before marriage.

Anonymous

IN

bTRFNI

No.116714

>>116697

i did it on purpose. if that poor fag married some khatri or rajputni his kids would look so much better than if he married another baman from his own village. But by doing ICM his kids would look better and still stay Brahmin (kids caste is same as fathers) at the same time = best of both worlds

Tamil Lund

!AV94apPtbxD2aq3

IN

S/g9US

No.116716

>>116697

>its funny that to prove your point you chose the most AASI looking brahmin

Ugly north indians doesn't automatically becomes AASI

Madarchod

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116720

>>116714

>>116716

i dont wanna derail the thread now

Anonymous

IN

bTRFNI

No.116721

>>116705

>persian, Gori ya UC muslim

Mumbai mein ye sab nahi milta. Persians are nearly extinct and all the muslims are marathi chamars

UP

yLN8/P

No.116723

>>116712

West is not our battleground. Also their society is collapsing as a result.

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116724

>>116716

kek yaar Tamil Lund

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116727

>>116724

usko (You) s mat de, ek baar shuru hogya toh pura thread derail krke hee chhodega

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116729

>>116723

>West is not our battleground

the world is our playground.

Jews understand this and they mounted europe successfully.

>Also their society is collapsing as a result.

2 more weeks

Anonymous

IN

bTRFNI

No.116734

>>116716

kek

>>116720

Thread is already derailed saar, in Bharat even a randi/boomer thread can become a caste thread. Beauty of Endia💪

Anonymous

IN

nWp7rR

No.116736

Mere pass toh gori panjaban gf hai, casteist toh bahot hai uski family if they don't let me marry her I want her future husband to know she had my jizz on her face

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116737

>>116685

Lmao, Mega kek, baad me inhi randiyo ka for anti hindu porn edit ban jata hai. Yaar, inko twitter pe call out karo sab please, Elon doesn't give a fuck if you post porn on that website.

>>116661

Real

>>116662

Good, fuck the Muzzies, yaar Shoodra's should impregnate the Muzzie women, aur inke shadi ke paise hum UC wale dege not even kidding.

>>116665

Ab tum bhosadiwale low tier scrubs ko apne office na nahi pata rehta toh mai kya karu. TL's like me know fuck ton of shit lmao. I literally saw her going down on him kek, uppar se woh ladki bhi bengali lmao.

>>116666

Yaar, it is not about UC and LC, and Genotype and Phenotype are not the same thing. If you marry outside your Varna your kids instantly lose the qualities that made him part of hor Varna, your kid with a Vaishya father and a Kshatriya mother will be fit to be neither properly.

I do not hate the people for doing ICM, but just saying, it is better to avoid it, same way we avoid same gotra marriage.

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116740

>>116729

>they mounted europe successfully

that too through Y-DNA patrilineage while preserving their religion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#Male_lineages:_Y-chromosomal_DNA

we need geographical mobility of gotras (male lineage)

Anonymous

IN

rqHiJE

No.116743

>>116682

if a man had that skull structure, it'd be over for him.

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116745

>>116736

>>116682

>>116685

hmmm

ye blackpiller chamar hai

UP

yLN8/P

No.116747

>>116736

>Yeah! That happened coomer.

Anonymous

IN

kvAGgs

No.116752

>>116636

>>116621

Both of these picrels are utter chutiyapa made by a true retard

Anonymous

IN

nWp7rR

No.116757

>>116747

🦐🦐Mat Maan yaar

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116771

>>116737

bhai padh toh leta mera post, muzzies are even more hostile towards these guys

also why fuck inbred porkis and have mutt + generationally inbred children?

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116778

>>116736

Lmao, woh bhi temple jati hogi daily, pakka kek.

>>116670

Mind you it is as simple as knowing a woman is not a synonym for a whore. And a whore is not a synonym for a woman. It is pretty simple tbh.

>>116671

Yaar Untouchable me goodloking ladkiya hoti hi nahi hai. What the Antayaj men need to do is marry the prettiest Muslim hijabis and make us Upper Caste Dwija people proud. Scheme lagao sab, ko Pakistan se Mulli seduce karke layega, uski shadi Dwija log fund karege.

>>116672

>Lineage is determined by Ydna not Xdna

Yaar ..., anyways, what Antayaj need to do is marry pretty Turk girls, and raise their turk blood to be unironically higher than Kanglu and Pakistan, and then fuck their women as well.

>>116673

>Good women

Yaar HIJDU

>>116674

>Dead women

Yaar BHADWU

>>116682

>>116685

Pehle gussa ata tha, ab hasi ati hai.

>>116691

Unironically, ICM kills any traits that makes a man or woman fitting to serve the rolls of their Varna. If you truly have to butcher that status and lose your Varna in the process by being a Varna shankar then unironically the best thing to do is marry a snowbunny with a TERF past, she is gonna be so virgin, she will circumcise your penis on your wedding night lmao.

Anonymous

IN

kvAGgs

No.116779

>>116578

>1/5000

Ok

>personally know many such females who do this beacause I live next to a temple in a IT industry area.

>temple in a IT industry area.

Hmmm

UP

yLN8/P

No.116784

>>116778

>Yaar HIJDU

Yaar theory crafter of imageboards.

Anonymous

IN

kvAGgs

No.116786

The muslim randi im seeing is studying islamic studies btw. She wanted to be a fashion designer lile every other foid but that requires creativity so she took the easy path because she has some proficiency in urdu and arabic.

UP

yLN8/P

No.116791

An ex muzzie who's converted to Hinduism will follow varna system more strictly than these handoo masses.

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116793

>>116786

what makes you call her a randi? dressing sense? looks?

I am asking cause incels would label any girl who wears saree which slightly reveals the navel a randi

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116804

a randi is a girl who has body count over 2 or 3, you guys still dont know how stigmatized having a body count is, majority of pajeet couples kiss or cuddle at max

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116805

>>116786

shaadi kar aur hindu bacche paida kar bhale hi tujhe khud ko islam qabool karna padh jaaye.

Apni betiyo ki shaadi hindu se hi karwaayio

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116807

>>116804

is a girl equal level of randi if she only had sex with your own sibling brother first ?

Anonymous

IN

kvAGgs

No.116809

>>116793

Every thing about her. Both in literal and frustrating terms.

>I am asking cause incels would label any girl who wears saree which slightly reveals the navel a randi

They're right

UN

ZGq1zw

No.116811

>>116666

Absolute state of poorfags kek.

UN

ZGq1zw

No.116814

Caste system is why India is so easy to oppress.

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116815

>>116771

Yaar I agree, I am saying ki Muzzies ki ye behen, beti aur ma fir bhi chod do. Specially the Muzzies in Pakistan Punjab, cuck their inbred men yaar.

The LC homies need to aw dog those whores, make them so pregnant they have to bear your Shudra and Dalit babies day and night, upgrade your bloodline, turn all Paki into Shudras. My brave Shudra Soldiers the world needs you, the 72 virgins are gonna be yours.

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116816

ye Cannibalchamar kahaan se aa gaye BhaCh mein

Anonymous

IN

kvAGgs

No.116817

>>116805

lmao. How can you even think I'm gonna marry a muslim randi. I can, only if she was better than what my relatives could provide me one during a marriage.

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116818

>>116807

my brother is pretty much me only generically speaking, does it really matter at that point? that's why if a sibling would die early his wife would marry his brother

or couples who can't have own children would adopt children from their siblings

Father Painbringer

IN

/CxnIh

No.116819

>>116818

thats why caste system in dating should be enforced

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116821

>>116819

it has to be psychological in that case, you can't have laws for this

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116824

>>116815

based

>>116809

I disagree

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116830

>>116710

Act like a whore get treated like a whore kek. Just be grateful the whores are stupid enough to unironically leak their own status.

Their is a very good reason no seal no deal flares up inta Randjeetas like someone shoved chillies down their cunt and rubbed it on their ovaries. It is a fool proof plan. (Mostly)

Anonymous

IN

kvAGgs

No.116837

>>116824

Saree isn't supposed to show navel. Or even stomach much. If somebody does it then they do it deliberately to look more "sexy" aka, wanting others to imagine about them sexually. Pretty good detector pf randipana

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116843

>>116712

>West me bhi

Why are we using Cumskin cucks as a bar here? The cumskins also marry a fucking whore like Riley Reid lmao, group project and slippery slope is a real issue.

>>116716

This, AASI chads boortally mog all mid looking steppe kangers. I will say this untill retards learn basic of biology, that is genotype and phenotype are not the same thing.

>>116721

Go to turkey Anon, larp as a Paki, and use your much more superior Shudra Lund to get the turk roach addicted to you (lmao).

>>116734

Areh who gives a a shit yaar, someone had to be a chamar randi putra and compare Khatri to the randis for some reason. The point of thread is in its original space, that the Randjeetas do not deserve to be defended.

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116845

>>116837

sir saree was wore like this in previous times

Anonymous

ARYA

cZKq3Y

No.116847

>>116845

Saar that is not a saree.

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116848

>>116847

it is a predecessor of saree, thats how it was wore, later on people started wrapping saree in shoulders/boobs as well

Anonymous

IN

9+W0t0

No.116854

>>116710

wahi toh, why does nobody blame men for having pre marital sex?

RKB

IN

pbcLIa

No.116855

>>116543(OP)

absolute state of image board

everyone fighting over whores psychology, no one dropping source and vids.

maybe we can dox these people and do the needful,

Anonymous

IN

kvAGgs

No.116863

>>116848

And this is how greeks used to dress normally?

Anonymous

IN

kvAGgs

No.116865

>>116854

>wahi toh, why does nobody blame men for having pre marital sex?

Randi or bottom