/b/ - Random

This hypothetical state will be an aryan superpower if created.

During the ice age thar desert used to be greater in size spreading far in north and separating Indus fed northwest from gangetic plains. Northwesterners are very different from gangetics genetically. Up until recently before the construction of modern canals haryana was quite arid and was a zone of separation between indus people and gangetics east of yamuna.

Imagine if history played differently and the northwest formed a separate nation it will be a superpower.

Winter Capital: Chandigarh or Lahore

Summer capital: Shimla or Srinagar

Separated by thar, kutch and ganges from the mainland.

Lingua Franca: Sanskrit

Ethnicities: sindhi, punjabi, dogra, kashmiri, pahadis, haryanvi

>>114643(OP)

Post hand with timestamp poopinder, it takes 1 second

>>114643(OP)

>>114643(OP)

High steppe and high iranN communities from western up will be allowed to immigrate under 'law of return' providing they are an aryan of good moral character.

>>114648

We would have evolved to be a low iq primitive race like australian abbos with that picrel india.

>>114782

>R1

LMAO, retards unironically think R1 Haplogroup means shit, when every average dalit born of a whore has that nowadays lmao.

>>114790

proof?

R1a is different from R2

>>114643(OP)

mujhe kya mai toh bengali adjacent assamese hu

>>114643(OP)

>sindhi, punjabi, dogra, kashmiri, pahadis, haryanvi

So basically low caste varta, aka sewer cleaning shudra and achoot nation lmao. Kashmir doesn't even have a single Aryan alive at this point, be it Pagan Nuristani, Indo Aryan Hindu or Zorostrian Persians. Most of them are Mllecha inbreds from Pakistan lmao.

>>114644

Yaar, these Mllech wannabe Shud-rda's i swear. Even besides that, Genotype and Phenotype are still not the same thing, OP is still a faggot tho.

>>114648

I love Paleocene India. It was over in Eocene.

>>114791

No one is talking about R2 here you retard. R1, which is actually called R-M173 Y chromo line, is found in Namashudra lines in saturation lmao, that doesn't mean SHIT LMFAO.

>>114799

Based. Ye Northwest wale chamar bas apni ma chudate rahege, aese hi Pakistan managed to take their states in past lmao. Retards learn one word and start repeating it for a millionth time without taking the time to understand how genotypes and phenotypes work.

>>114811

retard even R1 is a broad haplogroup

>>114782

Why does he want to Isolate en entire Varna to Haryana? Brahmins of all India barely make less than 4% of Indian Population lmao. That will be taking a state of 31 million Haryanvis, and then shoving 58 million people of the different ethnic groups of different Shakha, from pancha Dravida and pancha Gauda.

This is genuinely so retarded, if the OG poster is a Brahman, Rishi Manu would have killed himself out of shame.

>>114643(OP)

>Creating an aryan nation

Yaar ye pajeets bhi na

>>114815

Chup sasti chamar ke pille. No one is claiming R1 is not a broad haplogroup, every Haplogroup by nature is broad. R1 itself doesn't amount to shit because everyone from Mllecha to Brahmins have that at this point, it is irrelevant as fuck.

Retard, admitting it is a broad group just means accepting that R1 itself doesn't amount to much unless you very strictly label a sub group within R1 with evidence that it is limited to specific Varna lmao. Why do you shud'da's open your mouth?

>>114817

>Unironically trying to create Pajeetistan

Yaar anon, why are Pajeet like this lmao.

>>114820

To be quite honest anon, their is no 100% pure AASI in this nation either. Not unless you travel to a union territory somehow.

>>114819

R1a and R1b diverged long time ago, the relevant subclad for india is r1a, yes it is in other communities, nobody ia denying that, same way O haplogroup of north eastern states is in other eastern countries too

R1a in some samples outside dwijas and nw region can be explained by banishing of certain r1a males who then mingled with other non dwija communities

see picrel, R and R2 diverged long ago, r1a and r1b too diverged long time ago

>>114829

Very cool, but how do we determine they are not Varna shankar born of Mllecha whores thirsting for Dwija cock desperately anon? Is their a way to check for Mitochondria groups as well for Varnas of Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaishya?

>>114830

every place has more mtdna ancestors than ydna not just india, its a known fact that caste patrilineal

>>114830

>mt dna of dwijas

we have actually, and they have shown to be local ones which are usually found in other non dwija castes too

What likely happened was, on arrival foriegn dna would initially mix with local dna due to shortage of females in foriegners, after a while when these communities had sufficient population of their own, they would go back to endogamy

A recent example of this would be how the brahmins who moved to south india initially mixed more with local women but after they had sufficient population of their own endogamy was restored, except for exceptional cases Sambandam relationship

>>114829

woh sahi bol rha hai, tuu abhi aur padh. Toone jo pic post ki hai woh mere hi post ki hai

https://bharatchan.com/board/b/thread/109722#post-111197

maine uss post mein jo lika tha woh 100% sahi information thi lekin toone iss post mein likha hai woh sahi nahi hai

>>114782

ye post maine non-seriously kiya thaa

>>114844

kya galat bola?

>>114790

R1a are patrlineal descendants of Aryans. A steppe shifted non-R1a (male ofc) is worse for me than an AASI shifted R1a. But I would gladly take the daughter of a steppe shifted non-R1a over a AASI shifted R1a because Y-DNA runs through paternal lines only.

Respect for patrilineage is one of the core aspects of aryan faith systems .

>>114844

You are probably the most retarded poster I have ever seen.

>>114791

R2 is not much prevalent in India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_South_Asia#Frequencies_in_South_Asian_ethnic_groups

>>114854

bhai graph dekhle, R2 is literally almost exclusive to india

even R1a is majority in India too

>>114815

R1a ke different subclades ko segregate karne ka use sirf aryan origin (through male lines) castes aur gotras check karne ke liye kiya jaa sakta hai.

>>114816

>>114846

>>114858

I know that, those subclads aren't diverged enough from orignal r1a haplogroup to have a new haplogroup for themselves

>>114829

>R1a in some samples outside dwijas and nw region can be explained by banishing of certain r1a males who then mingled with other non dwija communities

aisa nahi hai.

Jab aryans ne Indian sub-continent invade kiya tha tab unhone yahaan ke majority of AASI males ko maar ke unki females ka rape kiya tha aur unse jo bacche hue they unhein apne aryan tribes mein shaamil kiya tha. Uss samay tak Castes aur Varnas solidify nahi hue they. Jo R1a Brahmins kaalay dikhtay hain woh issi cheez ka product hain. Bohot saare goray brahmins bhi raped native females ka hi product hain, woh goray isiliye ho gaye kyunki unke kaale mutt ancestors ne subsequent generations mein steppe shifted females ke saath bacchay paida kiye.

Jo baat toonay kahi woh bhi sahi hai, par sirf woh akele hi sahi nahi hai, jo maine bataaya woh zyadaa badaa reason tha.

>>114813

Bimaru bhaiyaa seething. Jaake naali saaf kar randi ke pille majdoor most North West states have less Sulla pop than gangooo chamar subhumans

>>114830

>Varna shankar

This concept originates from a date post the formation of Varnas. Before that, the aryans ruthlessly raped the IVC-AASI females and produced Aryan(mutt) babies out of their wombs who later turned into Brahmins and other castes.

Genetic studies tell us that the aryan invasion was largely a male phenomena and VERY FEW aryan BMAC females came along with Aryan invading hordes originally until the Sakas brought BMAC females with them.

But your post is correct.

And MtDNA doesn't mean anything in Indian concept beacuse Indian society has always been patrilineal.

Even a abbo of AASI haplogroup can have aryan MtDNA but that doesn't prove anything substantial.

>>114832

this post doesn't even make sense

>>114834

this post is correct

>>114870

I mean humans have more female ancestors than female ancestors

this is a proven fact, not every man got to pass down hos genes while almost every one did

>>114867

bullshit lmao

aryan invasion hahahaha

go back to reddit your nonsense won't tolerated here

>>114840

>What likely happened was, on arrival foriegn dna would initially mix with local dna due to shortage of females in foriegners, after a while when these communities had sufficient population of their own, they would go back to endogamy

correct

>A recent example of this would be how the brahmins who moved to south india initially mixed more with local women but after they had sufficient population of their own endogamy was restored

correct but that happened in ancient times, probably during Mauryas because they were the first to capture south india.

>Sambandam relationship

in nair sambandam relationship the child born to nair mother is accorded Nair caste and not Brahmin caste.

>>114856

R2 fir bhi bohot chhoti popuation ka hai. Bas kuch rajput gotras ka haplo R2 hota hai. R2 irrelevant hai iss thread mein.

>>114860

waise ye kaam taxonomy ka hai. Mutations toh bohot jaldi hoti hain par ek specific limit ke baad scientists decide karte hain ki kisis branch ko nayaa name de diyaa jaaye.

>>114875

aisa nahi hai

>>114643(OP)

according to me only founder's effect can save India

Indian UC's have 10x-15x times more founders effect than Norwegians and danish.

>>114878

>in nair sambandam relationship the child born to nair mother is accorded Nair caste and not Brahmin caste.

Yes but they would still have the genetic marking,ie r1a haplogroup

>>114867

>Before that, the aryans ruthlessly raped the IVC-AASI females and produced Aryan(mutt) babies out of their wombs who later turned into Brahmins and other castes.

Yaar anon, how could you say that not kill yourself. What retard unironically believes a group that small could ever force themself upon an ethnic majority of Indus lmao. The dilution of Y dna shows that the Aryans were literally out numbered 1 to 500.

If they tried raping someone like an average Pakistani tries to, with his neighbours goat, they would have been sodomised by high AASI big pp busters.

>>114884

Proven hai sirs https://www.livescience.com/47976-more-mothers-in-human-history.html

>>114877

bhai sahab recently Sinauli Samples leak huye hain. BJP-RSS Government geneticist Niraj Rai ki fati padi hai kyunki usmein 80% Sintashta aur lagbhag 20% BMAC ancestry mili hai.

https://x.com/Rudra_108/status/1907119065367556353[embed]

matlab samjhay ?

nahi samjhay toh picrel dekh lo

>>114886

If we talk about UC anon, then the smallest Varna in existence at the time is Brahman, which even at 4-5% would be well over 10 million. The founder effect just won't work anon, it won't work with a number so huge.

>>114867

>>114862

This only happened in land north of vindhya and west to saryu, rest of the regions still retain majority of non r1a dna

>>114888

Sirs aasi isnt monolithic, are you saying tha aasi outnumbered them 1 to 500 after aggregating aasi all over india ? Because even they were seperated due to vindhya ranges etc

>>114890

Bjp and rss is trying hard to burry aryan invasions, they even hire translators to falsely interprate vedas to fit their narratives

>>114886

sirfr founder effect pe rely karke hindu dharam nahi chal sakta. Gotra ka matlab single patrilineal ancestor hota hai. Founder effect pe rely karoge toh caste mixing ko regulate nahi paogay aur race upgradation (by taking foreign females or females of other religions) bhi impossible ho jaegi. Founder effect ke faayde globalized world order mein bohot kam hain jahaan sab log freely intermingle karte rehtay hain. Aur agar founder effect pe rely karoge toh bohot saare dalits bhi brahmins ban kar larp karne lagangay.

>>114832

Varna are paternal by nature, but legitimacy of the said Varna comes from both sides. If I were to give brutal backshots to some dalit whore, her child will not become a Kshatriya magically. As a result i strongly believe that a true Varna original Aryan would be one with both MtDNA and Ydna of an Aryan, or it is just Bhimtal larping.

>>114887

correct

>>114889

woh diversity ki baat ho rahi hai, theek hai aise bhi dekh sakte hain iss cheez ko

>>114899

>mtdna and ydna both aryan

That just doesnt exist in majority,and by this logic most of the world would be classified as illegitimate children

>>114894

Sirs, IVC itself is not monolithic but neither were Aryans, they were just a bunch of nomads who were heading horses and cows (lol ahirs before being ahir was cool). I stand on business sir, that IVC and AASI would have brutally raped them if they didn't harmonise with the said community.

>>114891

brahmins are not the inly UCs in india there are some community not considered but they are.

according to me total UC population in india is between 150-200mil.

caste was a occupational title 2000 years back not a racial one.

caste became racial eventually with tribals infiltrating it.

example: tarkhans are considered lower than brahmins but they are brahmins who just became skilled artisan. DNA tests approve this you can verify this too.

>>114904

>by this logic most of the world would be classified as illegitimate children

Exactly anon, death to children of whore, bastard should have no right on their father's Varna :^) the nation itself is full of Dalit and Achootas for a reason. Lowlives are born faster than those with pureblood, but no one is ready for that Convo.

>>114905

Aryan migration is dated back to late stages of ivc so an invasion isnt thay unlikely since ivc had collapsed due to internal issues, either way you can have your theory for that,but aryans not being native to india is very trur

>>114907

I am not disagreeing with you sir, but my issue is founder affect with a population this large, when the Brahmin alone are arround millions, like you said, above 150 million people can not just go to a nation and start from scratch at this point.

Besides that I do agree, many communities are genetically Brahmins, which likely lost their title due to retards bringing politics in lineage and it affecting their intellectual honesty (yaar bra man bhi na, why are bra men like this)

>>114907

Correct, caste = lineage + upkeeping of vedic rituals, kambojas are an example of community who got degraded in social status

Other dwijas were also allowedd to learn vedas but later on they started shifting on own activities

>>114909

No one is native to India anon, that is like saying "Aryans not being reptiles is very true" yeah no shit, everyone in Indo Continent who can use this board is a mammal at the least.

>>114916

I mean they were late arrivals

>>114916

aryans are indigenous to India

this will be proven in coming years

>>114915

Technically caste would be

>Varna + Ethnicity + Tradition

Varna can have many sub groups, Jati will be ethnicity such as Haryanvi and Punjabi, and it is within this specific Jati, which tradition one follows specifically will be caste.

On that note, many Non Dwija have taken the status of Diwja somehow, but many original Dwija have lost heir status which is really retarded in my opinion. Why would we be oppresing cute Dwija girls, while giving out baby batter to filthy Mllecha larping as one of us? This needs to be fixed asap.

>>114922

It most fucking certainly would be lmao, a population that small can't clash with native AASI and IVC without getting curved out of existence, but even more importantly, even by migration their is no way they imposed their language and script upon entire Gauda region.

Migration theory is retarded but Invasion theory is straight up inbred daydream.

>>114891

correct

>>114912

genetically brahmins - wrong

genetically indo aryans or aryans - correct

aryans society was racial based correct

but their were only aryans and non aryans

Brahmins, kshatriya , vaishya also were occupational titles.

>>114893

lets just stick to brahmins as for now.

Majority of Brahmins everywhere still carry R1a haplogroup

>>114923

caste is a more definitive ethnicity than than language or regional identity, a Haryanavi jaat is close to a punjabi jatt than a Haryanavi chumar

>>114888

mate its a well known fact that R1a aryans despite being outnumbered by AASI raped them nontheless perhaps because they were more warlike and AASI were disunited politically.

Its a genetic fact btw.

listen to david reich talking about south asia.

>>114894

this doesn't makes sense

>>114926

aryans didn't care about tribals or aasi people because they were not their competition .

tribals were considered monkeys not in a disrespectful way.

the "vanars" in Ramayana were these tribals.

the dasyus who are considered non-aryans in rigveda are just non-vedic aryans or the aryans who failed to perform vedic rituals.

this has been pointed by many scholars and researchers.

do you thing 4ft aboriginal were competitors of Lord Indra.

>>114908

sirs by that logic literally nobody in India would be considered dwija since almost all of them have local mtdna ancestry

>>114899

yes

Jati = patrlineage + rituals (which are passed down only if the union is considered legitimate as per laws of religion) but in ancient times during invasion there were many rapechilds born out of native females who were accorded the status of arya and subsequently dwija. This happened before the solidification of varnas.

>>114922

are you the gujjar anon from that thread?

I still don't agree with you.. That is impossible tbh...IVC being Sanskrit via Iranian homeland is more probable (if you wish to pursue) , OIT is just straight away impossible..

>>114905

nomadic herders in those times carried different characterstics. Don't forget the aryan Yamanaya who raped europe into existence were nomadic pastoralists.

>>114907

when you talk about "UC", a completely different dynamics comes into play. You will have to consider religiouis traditions as well here. Jaats despite being R1a steppe shifted are still considered LCs if we take religion into consideration.

>>114945

rigveda states that anyone who live westwards to sindhu or Indus River is an outsider then how come sanskrit developed their.

yes I am the gujjar anon from that thread

>>114908

>eath to children of whore, bastard should have no right on their father's Varna

thats not correct and even as per the aryan laws of veda and manu. Anuloma marriage offsprings are merged into Paterlineal gotra after 5 generations.

Its ironic that you use the Arya flag and yet make Dravidian supremacist posts. Perhaps you are a whatsapp warrior of BJP-RSS.

>>114909

>so an invasion isnt thay unlikely since ivc had collapsed due to internal issues,

there was an invasion for sure, nothing else could explain the sudden destruction of native males in north-india during that period. But the internal collapse of IVC is still debatable. It might just have coincided with aryan invasion in my opinion.

>>114912

correct

>>114915

correct

>>114916

>No one is native to India anon

>everyone if african saar, one humanity one race

>>114922

still in denial mode

considert picrel, currently you are at stage 3

>>114923

>Varna + Ethnicity + Tradition

you are talking about gotras here.

A kashmiri pandit and a nambudri brahmins have same caste but different gotras.

>>114923

>On that note, many Non Dwija have taken the status of Diwja somehow, but many original Dwija have lost heir status which is really retarded in my opinion. Why would we be oppresing cute Dwija girls, while giving out baby batter to filthy Mllecha larping as one of us? This needs to be fixed asap.

THIS IS THE GREATEST PROBLEM ! MANY DASYUS OF VEDIC ERA AND SUBSEQUENT ARE NOW LARPING AS BRAHMINS.

I personally know a few non-brahmin communities who use brahmin surnames.

>>114968

don't care

>>114926

>a population that small can't clash with native AASI and IVC

nothing can explain the sudden disappearance of native paternal haplogroups during the times of aryan invasion.

It was a festiva of MASS GENOCIDE AND RAPE conducted by Aryans on the natives of this land.

RSS want to deny that beacause then the Muslim will claim that Hindus are evil in the same way they they consider Muslims evil for killing the natives.

>>114982

you are a ghodu 100% FROM Ghoduland

that's why nobody takes you seriously

>>114929

>genetically brahmins - wrong

>genetically indo aryans or aryans - correct

actually correct.

>aryans society was racial based correct

nope that a myth created by Anglo historians of 18th and 19th century.

Aryans intially were a tribe based social construct.

Later, during the time they started moving from Bactria towards Indus Valley it turned into a lineage based construct.

And finally it returned to its original form of tribe based construct after they settled around the Indus.

>Brahmins, kshatriya , vaishya also were occupational titles.

they became birth based occupational titles during the late vedic era.

>>114953

the term anarya is not strictly based on geographical. location, anyway rigveda is a scripture from early veric era when the caste roles had already started taking shape, so it could be a result of that too, genetic studies show far show no proof of OIC

>>114991

anyone who promotes AIT IS A RETARD

>>114938

>the dasyus who are considered non-aryans in rigveda are just non-vedic aryans or the aryans who failed to perform vedic rituals.

there were many aryan descended tribes who waged war against rig vedic aryans. But they were called Mlechhas not Dasyus.

The physical characterstics of Dasyus as mentioned in Rig Veda match with those of dark skin AASI people who were native to this land.

>>114986

why are you seething. Show me scientic evidences (not RSS genetic "studies") to back your claims or just tell your narrative. I would gladly accept any lack of knowledge on my part if your claim are worth considering.

>>114997

you are wrong again

>>114996

you are a gujjar. You should be critical of RSS as far as genetics is concerned since you belong to a largely aryan tribe.

What are you worried about ? Muslim Gujjars ? or Shudra status ?

>>115010

read the battle of ten kings

>>115006

aryan invasion theory aryan infusion theory aryan alien theory

no matter how many evidences I provide you will keep promoting AIT with your false knowledge that's why

we do not need to go back to vedic period to know who is aryan who is not, just 200 yrs back some were licking the boots of the brits while some were fighting them and we know who they are

why don't you just stick to kola pujan

>>114912

its not just brahmans and politics sirs, the mathurai lodhs were a kshatriya group who lost to muslims in early medieval era invasions and then lost their status, their are many reasons for communities losing their status

nonetheless, thankfully even the communities who lost status still followed endogamy and gotra system

Following gotra system is essential otherwise you will endup like pakis who are a mockery of an aryan man

>>114643(OP)

>Creating an aryan nation

>>114982

>Unironically comparing Rakshasa and Yaksha who served Kubera with lowly Mllecha

Anon why are you such a cuck? We get it, you bust nuts thinking about how thy father brutally raped thy mother. WE don't have to entertain your fantasies. The native paternal Haplogroups never disappeared, it is still their, what the fuck are you talking about?

>R1a1

>Aryan gene

https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg20082

Yaar anon, why are all of you so excited by the idea of being rape children? Lmao, r1a1 is literally most common in Dalit and Tribals lmao. Have some fucking self respected you cuck.

>>114863

>Le average North Western lower Shoodrand

>>115013

here's the evidence so you promote AIT

worth noting that the claim of Aryan military prowess due to horses must mean they brought Steppe horses which have 36 ribs ... which apparently lost two ribs on entering India.

>>115019

>no matter how many evidences I provide you will keep promoting AIT with your false knowledge that's why

you have no proof except posting some bullshit theory written by RSS funded pseudo-archaeologist

>we do not need to go back to vedic period to know who is aryan who is not

i never said that

>just 200 yrs back some were licking the boots of the brits

i wholeheartedly agree that the forward castes were largely licking the boots of british and before some forward hindu castes even licked the boots of muslims. The worst of them were kayasthas who despite knowing the larger politics kept on rimming the asses of foreign rulers.

>while some were fighting them and we know who they are

they were from all castes, we will have to judge each caste seperately here find out whether their net contribution was towards or against the foreigners.

>why don't you just stick to kola pujan

irrelevant modern political bs

>>114996

Based, any person who unironically thinks that a small group can walk in and win against ethnic majority is book definition of inbred. Isiliye kehte hai Gotra system follow karo lmao. Bashing the AIT glazers is certified Aryan Behaviour, sir.

>>115023

You're clinging to a 2009 study that didn't even have ancient DNA sirs. It's outdated. Back then, they were guessing based on modern samples and STRs, not aDNA. Since then, actual ancient DNA from Central Asia and South Asia has been recovered, and it clearly shows that the R1a-Z93 lineage came from the Eurasian Steppe during the Bronze Age, around 2000 BCE.

The Rigvedic culture and Sanskrit didn't arise in a vacuum. They correlate with the arrival of Steppe pastoralists who brought their their R1a YDNA.

>>115041

I gave you the evidence pls see

>>115020

even the khokhars of modern pakistan were Brahmins before they lost their status and eventually turned into Muslims when the neighbouring Jaat tribes betrayed them by accepting Islam.

Khokhars fought very valiantly against Muslim invaders btw.

>>115019

emotionally charged reply, can be proven wrong on many accounts, how typical

>>115047

pls answer this

worth noting that the claim of Aryan military prowess due to horses must mean they brought Steppe horses which have 36 ribs ... which apparently lost two ribs on entering India.

you wont able to refute HAHAH

>>115041

>Forward castes were largely licking boots

>Forward

Chamar poot, UPPER Caste bol. Take a fucking census check like a civil human being, at which major castes predominantly were siding with Britishers and were taking their time to convert to Christianity lmao. Thank fucking hot we are getting a caste census, god knows why are the retards so paranoid, atleast some Dalit faggots will finally lose their reservations if they are over saturated in some states.

>>115023

>The native paternal Haplogroups never disappeared

from the northern region it saw a sudden disappearance on a very large scale as the genetic studies suggest.

>r1a1 is literally most common in Dalit and Tribals lmao

only those of north-west, why do you hide the complete fact ?

>>115050

im not a rude or angry person but this guy is calling me a RSS agent , promoting AIT again and again

he needs it

>>115049

Far more based than the Wahebised Sissy Cuck Kashmiri Pandits that stayed in Kashmir. They unironically called Mllecha from Pakistan their Aryan Daddies, lmao, literally taking pride in being cucks. Khokhars were based.

>>115057

>Genetic Studies

Cite one, given how their are no remains to gauge in the first place since adult male were cremated and their ARE no evidences to gauge the presense of Ydna of pre Vedic era in north, please cite a single study.

>>115047

where ???

>>115066

worth noting that the claim of Aryan military prowess due to horses must mean they brought Steppe horses which have 36 ribs ... which apparently lost two ribs on entering India.

Believing horses can lose 2 ribs once they enter the subcontinent is closer to flat earth theory.

>>115057

>Complete fact

As if location makes a difference, a chamar is a chamar irrelevant of where he originates from. A Shoodrand is a Shoodrand, and Mllech is simply a Mllech, be it from Sewer cleaning communities in Kerala or a nobody from Ukraine, they are not part of Chatur Varna, they are not part of the Indo Aryan relative branches. That's logical fallacy, try again.

>>114982

Source? You have been yapping endlessly. And how did you come to this conclusion that r1a is foreign to india.

>>115068

LMAO, unironically this. How do people not take the time to fucking add two and two.

>>115069

didn't we establish that caste was based on Lineage + upkeepment of riutals?

>>115055

>Chamar poot

I am not rajput

>UPPER Caste bol

Jaats UC nahi hotay.

>major castes predominantly were siding with Britishers

most of the freedom fighters belonged to Forward castes as well. I consider Mahatama Gandhi a freedom fighter in my books but there were even the radical ones who conspired against the Brits.

>>115070

THIS, it is book definition of being a retard to inherently assume that R1 is of foreign origin in the first place, rather than believing that it just originated from Indo region. Linguistically it even makes less sense how Aryan culture went Indo Aryan to Iranian and then Nuristani.

What moron with wannabe white complex really thinks invasion theory is legit in this day and age? Steppe Kanging was fun when were were retarded teenagers, it is plain sad in 2025.

>>115064

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/Fountain%20Ink%20-%20December%202013%20-%20Cover.pdf

>>115057

Abe ganwar r1a is distributed haphazardly in india which is why noone takes it seriously. Autosomal ancestry is whats taken seriously. R1a is find in high percentages in manipuris, telugu velamas.

>>115073

>I am not Rajput

Tabhi chamarput bola, no one is mistakeing you with those who are better than you, lmao.

>>115070

The clade modern day Indians carry is new and descendant of clades from Russia

>>115080

R1 is supposed to be a meme among the caste Kanging retards who will fail their college entrance this year after getting mediocre marks in school. Their is no way grown adults actually believe that R1 meant anything with how fucking abundant it is in India, lmao.

>>115080

founder effect, also read these >>114915

>>114829

>>115068

there are even more solid archaeological evidences that suggest that AASI people invaded Saudi Arabia due to the presence of artefacts from India found in several caves there. You are just sticking to a single archaeological fact (the source and complete story of which I have no idea about) to negate the HARD genetic evidences.

>>115080

autosomal ancestry is just decided by how much you breed outside/inside your own own subgroup

>>115069

I don't disagree about the laws of religion here.

>>115064

don't give false explanation to prove the right thing

this will just be a catalyst for the Aitist

there were burials but very less and all them were who came from outside for trade and other things or it might there Skeletons are there due to some sudden natural disasters.

>>115070

>>115079

>>115078

the bmac aryans divided into two branches, one of them went to Iran and other towards IVC

>>115083

its cause r1a diversified

>>115080

>manipuris

very rare only about 5% and that too only in meites who themselves spoke indo aryan dialect and likely migrated from mainland

>>115080

R1a isn't distributed "haphazardly". Its distributed along a "CLINE (north-west to south-east) + caste based frequency", also the steppe ancestry is spread is along similar lines.

watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OfV16_xngQ[embed]

>>115082

I don't want the thread to be derailed

>>115102

>Caste based frequency

Anon, their are less embarassing ways to prove you are mentally challenged.

>>115096

You're confusing diversification with origin. Yes, R1a diversified but that diversification didn’t happen in India.

The earliest R1a lineages (like R1a M420) are found in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, not South Asia.

In India, we mostly find R1aZ93>L657, a younger offshoot that expanded 1500 BCE matching the Indo Aryan migration period.

India lacks the basal R1a diversity, which we would expect if R1a originated or diversified there.

So no, R1a in India is not ancestral but a subset that arrived later. You're mistaking founder effects for deep roots.

>>115087

this

>>115079

>(If that ends up being confirmed, it would mean that both proponents and opponents of the Aryan invasion/migration theories are in a sense simultaneously right and wrong—

Anon, how many years of Inbreeding did it take for you to turn out so retarded, that you decided to cite a source that counters your very fucking argument? Kill yourself, unironically. This is why chamara should not be taken seriously.

>>115104

you are right

dalits have high r1a frequency due to many reasons:

1) men who were outcastes from high caste had to marry low castes or tribals

2)buddhists kingdoms who were defeated and converted to hinduism were considered low castes

and many more reasons

>>115098

>5%

Please stop embarrassing yourself. 50% of manipuris carry r1a. R1a literally means nothing its distributed haphazardly.

>>115101

oh i think i posted the wrong link obviously because the paper is written by an "Indian".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pra7YZWVc-s[embed]

>>115105

r1a diversified in iran

Also aryans were not exclusive to r1a only

I don't know what's the obsession with r1a

>>115104

different castes have different frequency of R1a haplogroups. Its a fact.

>>115105

This, R1 has never been a core of Origin and R1 has never been parallel to being an Aryan, at all, it is just that it got assimilated into the bloodline with time. Cuck fetishists can not handle that their mum was not brutally raped by a random white man from central eurasia of great steppe and infact likely got assimilated within the region of Indus with time.

>>115111

>dalits have high r1a frequency due to many reasons:

>>115057

>>115118

I have stated the reasons

>>115116

No shit retard, because Caste has no standard definition. Next time on common fucking sense, different caste (Varna and ethnicity) has different proportion of melanin in their skin, OH FUCKING no you autistic inbred fuck, who saw that coming, lmao.

Once again, since you are too mentally hindered to figure this out yourself, your argument has no relevance to R1 having any real correlation to caste (since their is no true linear pattern to frequency of R1 based on caste alone lmao)

Go read a book anon, don't make fun a meme out of yourself, like the north west chud.

>>115118

Zero Archaeological evidences supporting either, outside myths. Same myths which also claim that Rakshasa and Yaksha continue to exist and serve under Kubera, nice try anon, now say say that without being retarded.

>>115115

>r1a diversified in iran

it makes no sense

>Also aryans were not exclusive to r1a only

this is correct to the point that not all tribes of andronovo and later BMAC were exclusively R1a but they "largely" were R1a.

Aryanism is a phenomena tied to R1a. It makes little sense to talk about other minority groups who lived and fought alongside r1a tribes.

>>115112

No, 50% of Manipuris don't carry R1a

Genetic studies show that R1a frequency in Manipur, is lowoften under 10%. The region is dominated by East and Southeast Asian haplogroups, especially O-M122 and its subclades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_South_Asia#Frequencies_in_South_Asian_ethnic_groups

>R1a doesn’t mean nothing

It’s a well studied Y chromosome lineage. Its subclades tell us a lot about Indo-European expansions.

>Haphazard distribution

No, refer >>114829

>>114931

>>115116

Yes thats true but it doesnt follow some high to low caste or geographic trend. Its distributed haphazardly. Lmao fucking manipuris have it at 50%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R1a_frequency_by_population

>>115119

this phenoemna was more prevalent in north-west than central or southern asia. i just further refined your post for complete information.

>>115072

No, caste would be a combination of Varna + Ethnicity + Tradition, in the very order. If you dial to be a part of either of the four Varnas by lineage then you pain to classify as an Aryan in the first place, making you a Mllecha regardless.

>>115122

>Caste has no standard definition

watch this and stop abusing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OfV16_xngQ[embed]

>>115132

varna is decided by tradition only, if a caste loses or stops their traditional work then they would naturally loose that varna

>>115124

genetic evidences are in favour of AIT.

>Zero Archaeological evidences

https://x.com/Rudra_108/status/1907119065367556353[embed]

how about Mohan Bhagwat stop hiding and destroying the evidences ?

btw there are still some archaeological evidences like use of iron, spoke wheels and chariots etc

>>115129

>Manipuris

There are R1a tribes present in Indonesia. Does that suggest that Aryans originally belonged to Indonesia ?

Man I am growing tired of you.

>>115132

>>114972

>>115129

>Khatri 15 Pujab

>Asur 88 Jharkhand

Fucking LMAO, people still take R1 as if it has some logic in its frequency over location or Varna, when their is zero fucking pattern in this whatsoever lmao. How do morons unironically equate R1 with anything lmao.

You can't tell me the reason R-A-1 got memed into relevance is just because it sounds like "Ar- A-Yan" lmao.

>>114972

A kashmiri pandit itself can have multiple gotra, same from a Brahmin from other region. Atleast do the bare minimum of learning the terms you are using retard, lmao. Kashmiri Pandit is a caste, Gotra is a bloodline, a caste can have many bloodlines. Yaar ye chamara bhi na.

>>114975

This is something I will agree with a lot, their was definitely a huge fuck up at one point or another. Their most certainly has been Dasyus who did larp as Brahmins, while I don't place value at R1 since I think it is just people finding an easy way out, due to convenience, I do agree their must be someway to weed them out.

>>115115

>r1a diversified in iran

The most widely accepted origin point for the diversification of R1a-Z93 as of now is the Pontic Caspian Steppe, particularly associated with the Sintashta Andronovo culture

>Also aryans were not exclusive to r1a only

"Aryan" is a cultural-linguistic term, not strictly genetic, but in population genetics, Steppe Indo Europeans ( proto Aryans) overwhelmingly carried R1a-Z93.

Over 90% of YDNA from Sintashta and Andronovo samples were R1a-Z93.

>obsession

its a clear marker of steppe ancestry, that's like saying why is someone obsessed with their ancestry or lineage details

>>115136

That would depend on religious context and the time period. Only way an Aryan loses his Varna is by leaving Aryavarta, otherwise he keeps his Varna, unless a scripture claims otherwise.

>>115149

kashmiri Pandit is a sub-caste of Brahmins.

They they have their different Gotras and etc subdivisions.

kashmiri pandit is not a different Jati in traditional sense. they belong to the Saraswat brahmin division.

RSS people are really bad about their knowledge on castes because they want to erase it.

>>115154

>scripture

>Manusmriti 10.44

> kambojāś ca yavanaś ca śakāḥ pahlavāś ca kirātakāḥ |

>yavanāḥ pañcamaḥ kṣatraṁ brāhmaṇair avaropitāḥ ||

>Manusmriti 10.43

> śūdratve nīyatāḥ pūrvam̐ kṣatriyāḥ kṣatriyānugāḥ |

>brāhmaṇādarśanād rājyaṁ śauryaṁ caiva vyashūṣayat ||

>>115154

>Only way an Aryan loses his Varna is by leaving Aryavarta

That would depend on religious context and the time period as well

>>115142

kushans who were rulers of kashi were thrown out of india due to losing a battle.

went upwards towards Tarim basin named the first place they settled kashghar which means kashi.

its worth noting that they spoke prakrit in china as their coin depict .

how come a central asian tribe was speaking prakrit in china

king Kanishk had received many letters from buddha In which he was called descendant of lord rama's son kush by buddha(note that these letter are still their on the internet).

this also proves OIT happend in many stages and not one ,as OIT was not a master plan of indians, it just gradually happened due to civil wars.

>>115152

J2 haplogroup is very famous carried by greeks who built civilisations but no one considers J2 to be as important as r1a .

>>115157

Most castes are just social classes of their respective areas and have no connection with one another. A kashmiri pandit has no genetic connection with some UP tiwari whatsoever.

>>115142

>Khatri 15 Punjab

there are private test results (more than 50) available on internet as well btw.

Laughing at sample size is of little relevance and reeks of insecurity over your own claims.

>>115160

kushans arrived at a later date.

Do you watch sangam talks btw ?

>>115160

>>115160

>Kushans were rulers of Kashi and went to Kashgar

There is no credible historical or archaeological evidence that the Kushans ruled Kashi or were thrown out from there.

The Kushans were a Central Asian tribe who migrated into India, not the other way around.

Kashgar in the Tarim Basin existed long before any such migration, and the name similarity with "Kashi" is purely coincidental and linguistically unrelated.

>Kushans spoke Prakrit in China

Kushan coins and inscriptions often used Bactrian (written in Greek script), Prakrit, and Sanskrit. This was a political and administrative choice they ruled parts of India and used Indian languages for local legitimacy. I already told this to you in the previous thread

Use of Prakrit in inscriptions doesn't mean they "came from India", it reflects adoption of local languages where they ruled.

Even Greeks in India used Prakrit and Brahmi for inscriptions it was pragmatic, not evidence of Indian origin.

>King Kanishka received letters from Buddha

This is a fabrication. Buddha lived around the 5th to 4th century BCE, while Kanishka ruled in the 2nd century CE

>>115161

https://bharatchan.com/board/b/thread/109722#post-111197

>>115162

>Most castes are just social classes of their respective areas and have no connection with one another

wrong

>A kashmiri pandit has no genetic connection with some UP tiwari whatsoever

again wrong

you are wasting time

>>115161

Because it isn't relevant to current discussion?

You can have a J2 thread and I will happily contribute, although I dont know a lot about it yet since I dont really have any connection to it, would learn further about it in time

>>115165

I can provide you all the sources you want

>>115170

Kushans aren't relevant in this thread. They arrived at a later date.

By this logic you would say that just because Rishi Sunak lives in UK so that means OIT is proven correct.

>>115164

no I don't watch sangam talks

im jatland wiki editor

>>115170

of what?

Coins?

I already had that discussion with you anon and we reached an agreement there

buddha and kanishka didn't live together, this is universally accepted

Open to hearing about the other claims

>>115175

sources of all thing s letters scripts coins and many more things

>>115174

same level shit

>>115172

rishi sunaks is a khatri, his whole tribe/caste

does not live in UK.

btw you ignored my horse by saying that its irrelevant and you don't know about that.

Anyone who claims to be genetics expert must know about how important role castles and animals play.

>>115176

>coins

https://bharatchan.com/board/b/thread/105710#post-106104

we had it here

Open to anything else

>>115182

ok wait a minute let me provide you with the letters then

>>115180

>>115086

I can't provide you any further explanation regarding that. There are tons of archaeological evidences that suggest otherwise too.

These archaeological evidences are conveniently ignored by RSS OIT shills as well.

Moreover the linguistc studies suggests a strong connection of sanskrit to other indo-european languages as well but OIT shills love to ignore it.

>>115167

Keep coping. A poomin from UP has nothing in common with a kashmiri pandit except that they are assigned brahminhood in their respective societies. Keep inventing shitty theories to link them.

>>115191

emotionally charged reply, typical

>>115185

you never talked about proving OIT linguistically .

you were again and again stressing on genetics. so I decided it to do that way

>>115194

you are talking about archaeology not genetics