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For those who think you can't have good romantic or touching hindi songs without urdu words.
A59IcC
No.449246
Looking forward to the day where we get rid of urdu words.
srWN1o
No.449253
>>449246(OP)
Such historical inaccuracy
5xLhzs
No.449258
>>449253
What inaccuracy? Ivc? Movie was ok on presentation of ivc material culture. Their language isnt known anyway so that doesnt matter.
srWN1o
No.449259
>>449258
Aah yes high priestess daughter wearing a cleavage showing dress. Very accurate.
8ic8qO
No.449273
>>449259
Yes, and? Its only revelaing now it was elegant then
kDNU/M
No.449281
>>449246(OP)
that song has around 10-12 urdu/persian words. hindi is mostly a mixture of sanskrit/pali/prakit/persian languages. which is commonly named as hindustani. and there's no problem in it unless you're marathi or southie
7Fcyk1
No.449287
>>449246(OP)
I went to watch this movie in theatre when it came out. Felt temu version of bahubali butchered with inaccuracies.
There was no high priest in IVC. Fuck, there weren't even stairs in IVC
srWN1o
No.449317
>>449273
Aah yes. Women with cleavage especially a high priest's daughter was common then. Sure.
srWN1o
No.449318
>>449281
Urdu itself is mostly sanskrit prakrit. Pure Hindi is not needed
srWN1o
No.449320
>>449287
>There was no high priest in IVC.
False.
>No stairs
How do you think they went on top of the floors of their 2 story houses?
kDNU/M
No.449322
>>449318
i think everyone has their own way of identifying hindi as per their region/dialect, no?
srWN1o
No.449324
>>449322
Khariboli hindi is only pure Hindi.
jIzo9B
No.449327
>>449320
>False
There's was no organised religion and no ruling class. The priest-king is actually a trader
>How do you think they went on top of the floors of their 2 story houses?
wooden stairs, ledges which got perished with time
srWN1o
No.449337
>>449327
>No priest king
False. It certainly was a centralised polity with city states, case in point we have evidence of centralised rituals, wall making, social stratification. Citadel on higher mound over common masses also show aristocratic dominance. The sumerians also talk abt defeating the Meluhans ina war which most likely was not fought by mercenaries.
>Stairs
Not possible tht such an advanced civil used wooden ladders. Also mohanjodaro stairs.
vRRwx+
No.449578
>>449281
>that song has around 10-12 urdu/persian words.
Care to list a few.
>hindi is mostly a mixture of sanskrit/pali/prakit/persian languages.
Not to nitpick but it isnt a 'mixture'. Hindi isnt a creole. It is an indo aryan language(khadiboli) that originated from delhi region and was adopted by muslim sultans as court language who added perso arabic loanwords to it and called it hindustani. Only 1/3rd of hindi vocabulary is perso arabic loanwords(mostly nouns). Grammar, substratum, verbs are all native.
>there's no problem in it unless you're marathi or southie.
There is a problem because i am a hindu and i want to see this land being purified of adharma and its influence.
PW4JHy
No.449597
>>449578
Talk about eliminating gobar rituals first
vRRwx+
No.449599
>>449327
>no ruling class.
People unironically believe that libgandu anarchist fantasy? You cant have such a sophisticated civilisation without social stratification.
WNzmPE
No.449602
>>449578
literally every noun in that song is hindustani aka derived from urdu/persian + sanskrit
vRRwx+
No.449612
>>449602
BS. No persian or arabic word in that song. Tell me one just one. They all are sanskrit or prakrit words.
e91cj3
No.449623
>>449337
>False. It certainly was a centralised polity with city states, case in point we have evidence of centralised rituals, wall making, social stratification
Having rituals doesn't mean having organised religion. There was no monk quarters, temple etc.
>Citadel on higher mound over common masses also show aristocratic dominance.
Citadel on top were for community storage. No aristocratic presence either. Again, don't infer something without solid proof
>>449337
>Not possible tht such an advanced civil used wooden ladders. Also mohanjodaro stairs
Exterior had stairs x interior didn't
kxd3kt
No.449629
>>449246(OP)
https://youtube.com/shorts/B6dPMnhspvk?si=PqTFqJheoO1Bc__3
Handoo will listen to this and be happy
vRRwx+
No.449644
>>449623
They had sacrificial fire altars, shivlingas.
>No aristocratic presence either.
You wont find palaces in later indian archaeology either. Building large solid palaces wasnt a thing in india. Royalty lived a bit more humbly than other places as part of raj dharma.
>Again, don't infer something without solid proof.
You are doing just that. Tho using common sense i know such a sophisticated civ couldnt be run without ruling class except in some anarchist egalitarian utopian fantasy world.
srWN1o
No.449656
>>449623
>Having rituals doesn't mean having organised religion. There was no monk quarters, temple etc.
I disagree. India did not have any temples till 2nd century.
>Citadel on top were for community storage. No aristocratic presence either. Again, don't infer something without solid proof
That was granaries and they have been found.
>Exterior had stairs x interior didn't
Wah. Why couldn't they just make it inside?
srWN1o
No.449660
>>449644
>Building large solid palaces wasnt a thing in india. Royalty lived a bit more humbly than other places as part of raj dharma
Agree with rest but not this. We just haven't found the evidence doesn't mean it wasn't.
e91cj3
No.449690
>>449644
>They had sacrificial fire altars, shivlingas
Be very careful here. Religion was mostly a private affair for Harappan people. It was not a priest led society like Mesopotamia and Egypt
>You wont find palaces in later indian archaeology either. Building large solid palaces wasnt a thing in india. Royalty lived a bit more humbly than other places as part of raj dharma.
I'm not just talking about palaces, but no evidence of society stratification has been found. No ruling class as such
>>449656
>Wah. Why couldn't they just make it inside?
The stair part I agree I fucked up. My professor told me so, and now I feel scammed
vRRwx+
No.449709
>>449660
>no evidence of society stratification has been found.
Uniform brick dimensions and standards, citadels and variance in sizes and number of storeys of houses seem like pretty good evidence of social stratification, centralisation and thus a ruling class.
vRRwx+
No.449726
>>449690
>no evidence of society stratification has been found.
Uniform brick dimensions and standards, citadels and variance in sizes and number of storeys of houses seem like pretty good evidence of social stratification, centralisation and thus a ruling class
e91cj3
No.449727
>>449709
again hypothesis. We can say it had a centralized structure but what definitive structure was there we can't tell. Harappan society was a cosmopolitan society and no people of same race lived there. It can be possible it was a egalitarian society
srWN1o
No.449738
>>449727
That is true but we can surely hypothise. Also why don't we have such discussion in Sahitya , atleast tht board will be active
e91cj3
No.449752
>>449738
true man, we should daily have discussion/debate on different chapters of Indian history. It'll be so fun to clear doubts
srWN1o
No.449789
>>449752
Alright let's do it. Tomorrow morning I will start sm thread on Sahitya or maybe tonight.
e91cj3
No.449813
>>449789
Let's start with gupta or delhi sultanat. I'll prepare and come. We can also keep reading as we go along
